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Standing is what a party must have to be qualified to bring suit in court. A judge doesn't require "standing." A judge has jurisdiction or not.
the judge in the case made an improper ruling by legislating from the bench. he decided that a tweet from trump saying that trump thought DACA recipients should be allowed to stay, even though the EO that obama signed was unconstitutional, which is what the judge SHOULD have ruled on.
but lets say this unconstitutional EO goes through to the supreme court, and they rule for the EO. that will set a precedent for future presidents to be able to rule by executive order, and bypass congress, and that would INCLUDE trump.
and if that happens we are one step closer to becoming a dictatorship.
yeah yeah, i hear the stupid, "it will never happen here" and the usual "no slippery slope here" arguments. but we have seen something like this happen time and time again.
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There's no authority given in the Antiquities Act to downsize a national monument previously designated. Want to talk about abuse of executive orders?
Congress can.
Past presidents (Kennedy and prior) had 'adjusted' the sizes of different monuments, taking portions away / adding portions.
It has nothing to do with DACA.
Congress can.
Past presidents (Kennedy and prior) had 'adjusted' the sizes of different monuments, taking portions away / adding portions.
It has nothing to do with DACA.
Selective concern about abusing executive orders. There's no provision allowing Trump to do what he did with Bears Ears. Congress can, president can't. But I don't see many Trump supporters upset about that abuse of power.
It's funny--everytime I hear someone talk about what percentage of Americans want DACA it goes up, as does the scope of what they deserve. At first it was most Americans believe DACA recipients should be allowed to stay. Then I started hearing the majority of Republicans, then 75% of Trump supporters, and it went from allowing legal permanent residency to instant citizenship. I expect any day now to hear them breathlessly claiming that 97% of Trump voters favor the dissolution of ICE and weekly disbursement of gift baskets at the border.
thanks for the laugh and probably the painful truth, lol.
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Selective concern about abusing executive orders. There's no provision allowing Trump to do what he did with Bears Ears. Congress can, president can't. But I don't see many Trump supporters upset about that abuse of power.
obama supporters weren't upset when he abused power by using EO's to create law, oh but that's different, isn't it.
As for the monument, it does appear that there is a bill in Congress regarding the shrinking of it.
What authority does the President have to issue Executive Orders (EOs)? He is the Chief Executive, surely he is able to issue orders. But he does not make laws. His authority to issue orders, is limited to carrying out programs already approved by Congress and passed as laws (and signed by him or a previous President).
Remember that before there was DACA, there was a bill in Congress that said people brought across the border illegally as young children, could stay. And it covered a lot of other immigration matters.
And that bill was VOTED DOWN by the Senate. Officially rejected, killed. The Senate, while doing its job as half the legislative branch, said that bill was DISAPPROVED to become a law in the United States. And the Constitution requires that both the House and the Senate approve a bill before it is enacted, if the President doesn't veto it.
But then, after the Senate said No, Obama simply made DACA a law anyway, by issuing an Executive Order.
An executive order is supposed to be something issued by the Executive Branch (President) to carry out something already passed by Congress. The usual example is if Congress passes a law saying a group of Federal buildings in DC will be painted brown. The Prez might issue an EO to get bids from companies, another EO to buy the materials and pull the permits, etc. He is issuing executive Orders to do something already passed by Congress.
It's bad enough when a President issues an EO concerning something that was never considered by Congress. He's going beyond the bounds of the executive Branch.
But when a President issues an EO that enacts something that was already considered and VOTED DOWN by Congress, what possible authority can he have to do so? What is the point of having a Congress at all, if the President can simply ignore them and make any law he wants, by a simple stroke of the pen?
The judge has no standing. Trump can rescind the EO.
The judges order is being ignored.
The judge cannot create legislation all by himself.
Trump is going to do what he said he was. The Judge won't be able to stop it without being thrown in jail himself, for obstruction.
The judges order is being ignored.
The judge cannot create legislation all by himself.
Trump is going to do what he said he was. The Judge won't be able to stop it without being thrown in jail himself, for obstruction.
So you want the president to be a dictator? In our system of laws when a judge makes an order the executive is supposed to respect it. We have an appeals process for bad court decisions.
The judges order is being ignored.
The judge cannot create legislation all by himself.
Trump is going to do what he said he was. The Judge won't be able to stop it without being thrown in jail himself, for obstruction.
Gimme a break. You're a partisan flip flopper because you applauded every single time a court denied an executive order. Yet now you are against it? Tell me why except if it based on left or right
The judges order is being ignored.
The judge cannot create legislation all by himself.
Trump is going to do what he said he was. The Judge won't be able to stop it without being thrown in jail himself, for obstruction.
If Trump doesn't actively renew DACA, it will expire on its own. He must actively issue an order, to keep this from happening.
Apparently this judge feels he has the power to force President Trump to issue certain orders.
Did somebody in this thread complain about a "dictator"?
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thanks for the laugh and probably the painful truth, lol.
