Conservatives, post evidence to support your belief that immigrants tend to be welfare takers and criminals (ethics, illegal aliens)
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This is what happens when you make a topic taboo. People don't just lose the ability to speak freely about it, they also forget how to even think about it rationally.
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How can Hispanics measure here (IQ) when it's not actually a racial classifciation?
Why would you think that a group must be a racial group for it to have characteristics, like average IQ, that can be measured?
Left handed people, volleyball players, concert pianists... any group could be measured and its characteristics determined.
Ah, yes...Jason Richwine, the conservative who penned his dissertation on the claim that Hispanics have lower IQs than white people.
IQ by country seems to indicate that Latin American countries have a lower IQ average than the US.
The US' average IQ is 98, Mexico's is 88, per another source. A 3rd source shows testing in 2 different years where once again the US scored 98 on average both years and Mexico scored 87 and 90.
IQ testing has shown different IQ levels from around the world. That's just scientific fact.
It is a scientific fact that IQ is in large part genetic. About 20% of an infants genetics account for IQ and it rises to about 80% for an adult. Can anyone name any genes that are perfectly and evenly distributed around the world?
If you believe in basic scientific evolution, wouldn't the different groups of humans spread into different regions of the earth have at least slightly different sets of genes from group to group?
There's not good evidence collected on immigrant crime rate. the Hispanic crime rate is higher than white and the Asian crime rate is lower than white. There's substantial crime coming from latin America and terrorist threat from muslim immigration. Why don't you want to include that? You can't just consider the immigrant but their legacy and national origins group crime rate. I'm not the one that says immigrants in general are particularly a crime problem, but they're a problem in various important ways.
Your link is bunk. He found dubious ways to inflate his numbers and then put a scholarly look around the whole thing. Biased and unfair methodology.
The guy used all immigrant household inhabitants, including kids + other US-born family and spousal members. So you can have a US-born person married into an immigrant family with multiple immigrant kids, even grandparents, etc..and he is counting ALL of them.
Medicaid and Supplemental Security benefits are determined on an individual basis, not a household basis. So he is basically intentionally lying with this kind of an analysis.
The term "immigrant-headed household" upon which Richwine bases his analysis working backwards from SIPP survey is also hopelessly ambiguous for this kind of analysis. It depends on how the survey was filled out. You have one immigrant and a family of US folks - husband is declared as head of household, it's an "immigrant family." Wife is declared head of household in survey, it's not. With dual income common these days, how do you know how they filled it out? It's a hopelessly convoluted approach.
He should have done this on an individual to individual basis, which is really apples to apples. When you do that, you'll find that immigrants use fewer services because their eligibility requirements are stricter; they don't qualify as much and as easily for many things.
Let me tell you my own anecdotal story: when my parents immigrated to this nation as political refugees fleeing from a European nation that you'd probably consider on the comparatively "****hole" side, they had to sign papers with the Feds saying they could not go on welfare for seven years. They signed it, came here with 2 kids and 2 suitcases, and never took assistance.
By the way, there are several take-downs of this analysis, but this was all articulated by none other than the Cato Institute, which is founded by one of the Koch Bros, has stellar history of accolades, and is hardly a super liberal place.
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Too lazy to do your own research? Don’t forget, illegals don’t report crime because they are scared. That’s a dem talking point. Then there’s this https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...port/71517072/
There you have it, higher crime, higher welfare. Anything else?
If you mean illegals, shouldn't the fact that they are here illegally and have already broken the laws be enough to be outraged?
They don't have to go on welfare (how do they even get welfare if they don't have a SSN?) , they should be punished for breaking the laws.
That said if we can let them off the hook, I think we need to let a lot of offenders off the hook and release them from jail. Why the double standards?
IQ doesn't matter. Does anyone here really think an IQ difference of 5 helps or hurts anyone doing construction? Or any other job for that matter. What matters is knowledge in that field, work ethic, and the policies in place at that work environment.
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If you mean illegals, shouldn't the fact that they are here illegally and have already broken the laws be enough to be outraged?
They don't have to go on welfare (how do they even get welfare if they don't have a SSN?) , they should be punished for breaking the laws.
That said if we can let them off the hook, I think we need to let a lot of offenders off the hook and release them from jail. Why the double standards?
What's the price for breaking the law these days?
Everytime an illegal shows up for school, wic, welfare, they should be deported. After all, we just want the laws followed.
IQ doesn't matter. Does anyone here really think an IQ difference of 5 helps or hurts anyone doing construction? Or any other job for that matter. What matters is knowledge in that field, work ethic, and the policies in place at that work environment.
It matters. Take 100 doctors and 100 janitors and guess which group has the higher average IQ?
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