LA Times: "Why is liberal California the poverty capital of America?" (legal, drugs)

[majoun]

Originally Posted by aslowdodge

I am more apt to go with your source which is much more current than an 8 year old census the Person known as Tulemutt wants to use as a basis.
A lot can change in 8 years. Heck look at where the economy and the stock market was in 2010 when the census was taken compared to today.

Sure about that?

California exports its poor to Texas, other states, while wealthier people move in | The Sacramento Bee

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by aslowdodge

Tulemutt hasn't thought that far in advance. It's like the people that want to secede from the US and think they will get to keep all the federal tax money they send out not realizing that it will have to go to supporting the infrastructure of the nation of California.
But I'm sure he'll pony up more in taxes to support the non working people of Ca.

He lives on a boat so minimal taxes and cost.

[saibot]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Some so-called progressives hail these trends, as forcing what they seem to see as less desirable elements — that is, working- and middle-class people — out of the state. They allege that this is balanced out by a surge of highly educated workers coming to California. Essentially, the model is that of a gated community, with a convenient servant base nearby.

Yet, in reality, this may prove to be wishful thinking. A dive into Internal Revenue Service data shows distinctly that, while poor people are, indeed, leaving, the largest group of outmigrants tends to be middle-aged people making between $100,000 and $200,000 annually.

Source.

I believe it. That group is very heavily taxed, but not "wealthy" enough (especially not here in CA) that it doesn't hurt.

[Count David]

When people will work themselves to the bone to stay....

[cyberfx1024]

I just moved from CA to NC last month and I make more than $100k a year. So the state lost my income taxes and various other taxes I paid

[phantompilot]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

That population isn't the immigrant group that's growing the numbers. Anyway, the more social / cultural groups become educated and prosperous, the lower their birthrate falls. This has been well documented for many years.

What BS. How can you say that with a straight face. Illegals and their progeny are more than 10% of the population, dude. But they didn't grow the numbers at all......Riiiiiiiiight.

Nevermind those millions of extra people....just pay it no heed. Its not growing the numbers at all. Its invisible. And free! Its not like it costs the taxpayers 25% of the General Fund or anything. Just a rounding error.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Except census and other suverys show it is the poor who are leaving in greatest numbers. Which makes obvious sense.

If they left in any significant numbers the cost of welfare wouldn't go up every year. CA wouldn't habitually increase its national lead as the state with the most poor residents per capita if that were true. There'd be some convergence, and there isn't.

Originally Posted by majoun

Sure about that?

California exports its poor to Texas, other states, while wealthier people move in | The Sacramento Bee

California Demo-Prop. Like agit-prop...except in this case its the DNC spin machine behind it.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

What BS. How can you say that with a straight face.

Because it's true. He's right (and it HAS been well documented for many years).

Childlessness Falls, Family Size Grows Among Highly Educated Women | Pew Research Center

Why are California women giving birth at record-low rates?
https://www.ocregister.com/2017/07/1...ths-for-women/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4649870/

[Justin Scott]

Originally Posted by majoun

It shows that the policies of the current Dems are not good for the people who they are intended to help.

CA is still a decent place for the "haves". For the "have nots" it is a terrible place (albeit better in some parts of the state than others)

Very true.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

California Demo-Prop. Like agit-prop...except in this case its the DNC spin machine behind it.

An article that is stating the failures of liberal Dem policies in California and how those policies are hurting the people they are intended to help is "Demo-Prop" and the work of the "DNC spin machine"?

Next thing you'll be telling me that Michael Wolff's book is the work of the RNC/Trump spin machine...

[payutenyodagimas]

so what should be done? even in OC where the GOP rules have lots of homeless