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View Poll Results: Who is at fault for the shutdown?
House/Senate Majority Republicans 138 37.50%
Democrats 171 46.47%
Both 59 16.03%
Voters: 368. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-21-2018, 05:32 AM
 
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:39 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So we are going to shoot ourselves in the foot over paperwork?

Deficit in 2017 was the largest since 2013.

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com...cit_chart.html

With the massive corporate tax cuts, deficits will continue to rise for the foreseeable future.

As folks on this forum post constantly, we are at full employment.

So when we load these young people on the deportation train, who is going to fill their jobs?

Who is going to pay the billions in federal and state income taxes, local property taxes, sales taxes.

It's too bad you don't care for the color of their skin or how they got here, but they are here now and contributing to our civilization, such as it is.

Kicking them out is a fool's move.
This does not reflect any of President Trump's policies, as he only took office on January 20, 2017.

The U.S. federal government begins its fiscal year on October 1, and ends the fiscal year on September 30. Therefore, none of President Trump's policies have yet taken effect, since the tax cut was only passed just before Christmas.

Nice try, but you're not fooling anyone who knows the facts.

#SchumerShutdown

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Old 01-21-2018, 05:41 AM
 
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So we are going to shoot ourselves in the foot over paperwork?

Deficit in 2017 was the largest since 2013.

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com...cit_chart.html

With the massive corporate tax cuts, deficits will continue to rise for the foreseeable future.

As folks on this forum post constantly, we are at full employment.

So when we load these young people on the deportation train, who is going to fill their jobs?

Who is going to pay the billions in federal and state income taxes, local property taxes, sales taxes.

It's too bad you don't care for the color of their skin or how they got here, but they are here now and contributing to our civilization, such as it is.

Kicking them out is a fool's move.
We need less people willing to work for less than market wages, we have too many people here illegally doing jobs like roofing that should pay $20-25 an hour but are paying half that because the work force is willing to work for that much. We need a non-skilled labor shortage, these wages havent risen in decades.

Yes the debt grew last year but so did the economy, Our debt-to-GDP ratio actually shrank by a percent. Funny that the left didn't seem to have a problem when Obama went nuts and racked up 10 trillion dollars in deficit spending. The spending can be cut as more people enter the labor force and are less reliant on government services.

The only person who mentioned skin color is you. Many of these northern and central area Mexicans who are here illegally would be considered "white". It has nothing to do with skin color.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So we are going to shoot ourselves in the foot over paperwork?
How is deporting illegal alien Federal Law violators "shooting ourselves in the foot?"

Is sentencing bank robbers to prison "shooting ourselves in the foot?"

Is sentencing kidnappers to prison "shooting ourselves in the foot?"

All of the above are Federal Law violators.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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this is one time I can not believe anyone can blame our president or Republicans for the mess? The one major hurdle is the Daca versus the funds to keep our country functioning. What the heck does one have to do with the other? I am not suggesting we overlook the DACA problems, but they are a totally different problem. Well unless the Dems not only want DACA to be addressed but want extra funding for the program?
Let's make sure the country can continue to operate, then address the DACA issue.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:50 AM
 
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This does not reflect any of President Trump's policies, as he only took office on January 20, 2017.

The U.S. federal government begins its fiscal year on October 1, and ends the fiscal year on September 30. Therefore, none of President Trump's policies have yet taken effect, since the tax cut was only passed just before Christmas.

Nice try, but you're not fooling anyone who knows the facts.
Sadly, you appear to be missing the point. Didn't say anything about whether Trump was responsible. No need to get touchy.


Let me see if I can put it in easier to understand terms.

1) Federal government is running an annual deficit.

2) Deficit is growing.

3) Kicking out those who are paying billions in taxes and will continue to do so for the next 30-40 years is is a dumb move.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:52 AM
 
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People know that the President, the Senate, and the House are all Republican.

They don't care about the finer details of parliamentary procedures or what Schumer did or didn't offer.

They see the dismantle-the-administrative-state, anti-immigrant alt-right, and the they-took-our-jobs Trump true believers celebrating their Breitbart fantasy government holding the nation hostage for a twenty billion dollar ransom to build a worthless wall.

Now not all Republicans are willing passengers on Trump's train to chaos.

But you lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
Actually, people do care about how their government operates... that's the main reason Hillary's not the President.

By once again insulting our intelligence with monumental obvious lies, Schumer and Co have guaranteed a repeat of 2016 for the Democrats in the mid-term elections.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:57 AM
 
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How is deporting illegal alien Federal Law violators "shooting ourselves in the foot?"

Is sentencing bank robbers to prison "shooting ourselves in the foot?"

Is sentencing kidnappers to prison "shooting ourselves in the foot?"

All of the above are Federal Law violators.
I realize you are upset about those who break the law.

I imagine you are just livid about those involved in Russian money laundering, conspiring with Russians to violate our campaign finance laws, handing our classified intel to Russian spies, ....

But let's focus on this matter, shall we?

I'll break it down for you.

1) Deficit is growing again.

2) National debt is increasing.

2) DACA people are helping to pay off this national debt.

3) They did not rob a bank. They were brought here as children.
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Old 01-21-2018, 06:02 AM
 
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I truly think the Dems are doing this because they are panicked at the reversal in polls showing Americans are waking up to the Dems lies about the TAX/JOB bill. The Dems don't want the public to pay attention to how good the economy is and are hoping Monday the stock market will start crashing and/or people will be totally distracted for weeks with all the fake negative "Trump" budget chaos they can spin, spin, spin.
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Old 01-21-2018, 06:03 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I realize you are upset about those who break the law.

I imagine you are just livid about those involved in Russian money laundering, conspiring with Russians to violate our campaign finance laws, handing our classified intel to Russian spies, ....
Prove the crimes, then have them do the time.

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But let's focus on this matter, shall we?

I'll break it down for you.

1) Deficit is growing again.

2) National debt is increasing.

DACA people are helping to pay off this national debt.
Stop lying. NO ONE is paying off the national debt.

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3) They did not rob a bank. They were brought here as children.
Once they turn 18.5 years old and they have not applied to immigrate legally, they are violating Federal Law. Deport them.
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