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You know the answer to that. Their being here and producing American-born offspring means more Democrat voters. Can there be any other answer? I'd love to hear!
What makes you think they are a monolithic voting block? I think there is at least as good a chance they would be conservative as liberal.
Kick the can. But the Dems get the CHIP bs from the right out of the way and a promise to take on DACA and put something on the president's desk. They will probably break that promise, because they always do, but we will see. If they keep it, Trump will be forced to sign something that he personally supports (DACA) but will alienate his nutball base or veto it and lose the rest of the country. I would not call it 3D chess, but the Dems made a box and Trump is going to be in it.
The Dems had all that on Friday, before The Schumer Shutdown; but, maybe Mitch pinky swore on the DACA deal this time?!?
Kick the can. But the Dems get the CHIP bs from the right out of the way and a promise to take on DACA and put something on the president's desk. They will probably break that promise, because they always do, but we will see. If they keep it, Trump will be forced to sign something that he personally supports (DACA) but will alienate his nutball base or veto it and lose the rest of the country. I would not call it 3D chess, but the Dems made a box and Trump is going to be in it.
This is accurate. The Senate Ds have no commitment to support a year-long budget. If they don't get DACA signed into law as part of the budget (or separate & concluded before the budget), then they can keep the Rs on continuing resolutions with shutdown fights every few weeks until our 2018 election.
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Originally Posted by RosieSD
Today's deal is just kicking the can down the road for another three weeks.
Three months into the fiscal year and we still don't have a permanent budget approved.
That's hardly a "victory" for the majority party.
If they'd managed to get a permanent budget passed for the rest of the fiscal year, I'd be applauding, but this is just another wimpy temporary solution.
This constant state of temporary operation is no way to run a government.
We haven't had a regular budget passed since Obama negotiated one with Republican leadership in Congress at the end of 2015. The Rs spent all of last year temporary budgets. They cannot perform basic governance.
The Dems had all that on Friday, before The Schumer Shutdown; but, maybe Mitch pinky swore on the DACA deal this time?!?
The Trump Leadership Failure accomplished nothing for either side. The Rs did not get a budget, the military did not get their billions of added funding, there is no wall money, and there is no DACA arrangement. It just a do over with an empty promise from McConnell. Trump just showed the country how inept and weak he is as a leader. He let a 32 year old neo-Nazi lead him around by the nose. His own party could not even stand up for his failures. We can do this over and over and eventually even the faithful will see what a loser Trump is.
Anyone have any thoughts on the chances we'll actually get a PERMANENT fiscal year budget in three weeks?
As I said earlier, today's deal just kicks the can down the road another three weeks. We're already three months into the fiscal year.
When will the majority party get a permanent budget passed?
I doubt it. The parties will spend the next couple weeks doing polls and focus groups to see if they "won" - what worked for them and what did not with various demographics. Then we will see another shutdown with more tuned messaging. Then another. The whole system is petty politics and the needs of the country are long forgotten and ignored.
Watching C-Span just now, Schumer (D-NY) said that he has been promised by Republicans to get a debate on DACA, so he is now instructing the Senate Democrats to vote Yes on passing the Continuing Resolution to fund the govt for three days WITHOUT its being tied to non-spending issues like DACA.
Then Dick Durbin (D-IL) spoke up and pounded on the Republicans to keep their promise of a debate. That was particularly humorous after Democrats promised Reagan in the 1980s to strengthen the border, deport illegal alien criminals etc. if he would grant an amnesty to illegal aliens at the time; but then reneged on their promise after Reagan granted the amnesty. Plus the non-negotiation of the 1995 budget, where the Democrats simply waited for the Republicans to cave while the Dems didn't yield an inch (and the Republicans obediently caved while getting nothing).
It's a new era. Republicans actually stuck to their guns and kept offering the same compromises while Dems kept trying to "offer" paltry fractions of what the Repubs wanted.
What made the difference was the Republicans pointing out repeatedly and publicly, how untrustworthy the media was, always covering for the Democrats while telling only the bad stuff (and often outright lies) about Republicans.
For the first time in living memory, the Democrats had to listen to ad after ad, account after account, of exactly what they were doing and its bad effects on the country. And they knew they couldn't survive while such factual reporting was going on, so they caved.
It's a step in the right direction. Democrats' attempts to tie 6 years of amnesty for many illegal aliens, to a non-immigration spending resolution, failed.
The Trump Leadership Failure accomplished nothing for either side. The Rs did not get a budget, the military did not get their billions of added funding, there is no wall money, and there is no DACA arrangement. It just a do over with an empty promise from McConnell. Trump just showed the country how inept and weak he is as a leader. He let a 32 year old neo-Nazi lead him around by the nose. His own party could not even stand up for his failures. We can do this over and over and eventually even the faithful will see what a loser Trump is.
None of which had anything to do with keeping the government open.
If it's any consolation, y'all get to keep the egg on Schumer's face.
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