*****Government Shutdown ***** (retirement, Representatives, Congress, illegal)

[Boss]

What they accomplished was to show McConnell was willing to not pay the troops, was willing to keep Govt. closed. All by following the rules of the Senate. Forcing McConnell to say I object, when the Dems put legal motions on the floor for Consent motions.

McConnell owns them all.

[pknopp]

It's sad how most still continue to pick up sides. Politicians are where they are because of their ability to play the masses.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by flittermouse

You failed to mention that Democrats wrangled 6 years of CHIP funding in exchange for reopening the government.

which actually makes a 2nd shutdown far more palatable to the GOP.

I am glad for the kids, but that was unwise from a tactical standpoint, if DACA truly (sar) matters to Democrats.

[GotHereQuickAsICould]

Originally Posted by kell490

I Think the DEMS wanted to use this situation to benefit them in midterms they are hoping for a sweeping victory in 2018 of both the Senate and House which could happen. ...

You are on to something there.

If here was a clearer way to demonstrate the importance of voting Democrats to the Senate I don't know what it would be.

McConnell's refusal to allow a vote to fund the military is a PAC ad gift.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by Avondalist

I don't blame Schumer. He, like Boehner, knew that a shutdown was a bad move.

I blame Democratic activists who don't understand that Democrats have very little power in Washington now. At least the Republicans controlled the House when they shut down the government.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by moneill

I don't believe that Democrats are for illegal immigration.

I do believe that they want DACA resolved.

Does that make them pro illegal immigration?

Didn't Trump say he owuld support the 'dreamers'? Does that make him for illegal immigration?

Anyone who is not for deporting all adults involved in DACA kids being here as part of the deal, anyone against the Wall, anyone against chain migration, anyone against the RAISE ACT = A Pro Illegal Immigration person

[TreeBeard]

The government shut down was an opening salvo in a much larger war that is being waged over the budget and immigration. I agree that Democrats were not the winners, but neither were the Republicans. The larger picture is just more erosion of Trump's tattered image. Subtle erosion, but erosion none the less. The American people are just getting more leery and weary of the Trump freak show.

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

What? As of December 7, 2017 the Senate hadn't even considered the appropriation bills, so how did Schumer block them?

"so how did Schumer block them?"

Maybe you should take course on Federal Government and find out how the Senate works.


"Ignorance is bliss"!

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by EastwardBound

More time to educate the American public about the inadequacies of the current immigration system. Bit by bit, the issues being discussed, despite the best efforts of the pop media, will start to trickle out and more people will begin to understand what it is the Democrats are fighting to protect-bringing in more poor people to populate their new plantations.

"More time to educate the American public about the inadequacies of the current immigration system."

I am interested in what you think the "inadequacies" are. and what you suggestions are.

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by BentBow

#SchumerSurrender!

Knowing how the media likes to try to get cute with words in titles, I saw "the Schummer Schurrender"