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View Poll Results: Who is at fault for the shutdown?
House/Senate Majority Republicans 138 37.50%
Democrats 171 46.47%
Both 59 16.03%
Voters: 368. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-20-2018, 12:06 AM
 
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No negotiation on DACA until gov. and military funded.

Eventually SCOTUS will rule and protections will be gone for DACA.

DACA people and CHIP kids abandoned by Dems.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:07 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You might be a liberal if.....

....if, when 95% of Republicans vote for a bill and 100% of Democrats vote against it, you blame Republicans for it being voted down.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:07 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Easy. I think that next Trump will tweet some perversion of truth and then go golfing at Mar-a-lago.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:07 AM
 
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If you were brought somewhere as an infant, grew up there, had family there, had friends there, had a job there... You're telling me you would leave after 30+ years in that location?

Be honest with yourself - what would you really do?


You would actually move yourself back to what is essentially a foreign country?


Remember, to qualify for DACA, you have to meet done qualifications - there are standards in place.
They knew they were illegal before they had family here, got a job. Their home country is not a foreign country. What I would or wouldn't do it is irrelevant. What would they do if they were in my situation and I were in their home country illegally. They would want me deported, and I would oblige.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:08 AM
 
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Who is at fault for the shutdown?
Who is at fault? Don't you mean who deserves credit?
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:08 AM
 
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I didn't expect to spend my evening convincing young military wives that things are going to be ok. Some of them their husbands training/schools are being cancelled and they are being sent home Monday, others are sitting until something gets worked out. Some wives who work full time are almost in tears because their jobs do not cover their expenses. Some their jobs don't even touch their rent here.
It's amazing to see how many are ticked and ranting that the border and DACA should not be part of this.
What a mess.
Yes it's a mess because of Trump. The bipartisan committee presented him a bill which he wouldn't sign. We have had government shutdowns before and survived.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:08 AM
 
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You know, I’m pretty convinced that shutting down the government was Trump’s ultimate goal. I think it’s another way for him to get adulation from his idiot fan base who doesn’t appreciate the work of government workers.

Trump and his fan base do not care about the nearly 3 million US civil servants.

Disgusting.
Why don't you go ahead explain to me how your lack of services is going to hurt me.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:08 AM
 
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They knew they were illegal before they had family here, got a job. Their home country is not a foreign country. What I would or wouldn't do it is irrelevant. What would they do if they were in my situation and I were in their home country illegally. They would want me deported, and I would oblige.
Sure you would...

And what you would or would not do is not irrelevant. It is the question I asked you, the least you can do is answer it.

I'm sorry, but where you grew up is your home. If you're only born somewhere and have no memories of it, that is not your home.

When someone asks you where you're "from", you answer with where you grew up, not where you were born as a baby.


And you know what? The overwhelming majority of Americans support DACA. This is not a partisan issue.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:09 AM
 
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Well I didn't mention any deadline
You sound like Clinton saying 'It depends on what your definition of is is'.

You wrote that we need to stop kicking the can down the road.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:11 AM
 
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if this goes to the supreme court, they will rule in favor of daca
lol
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