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Old 01-21-2018, 05:15 PM
 
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Wrong, once again it Trump's shutdown. He wanted it and now he got it.
shummer called for it over no DACA fix. the CR had everything the democrats wanted, except DACA, and they voted against the CR. sorry this is on the dems.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:31 PM
 
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Either the OP is ignorant of how the Senate operates or he is deliberately trying to make Republicans look bad.

McConnell's change to a NO vote was a way to keep the vote on the table. He was not voting against the CR bill, he was voting to continue the Filibuster the Democrats started. This way he can keep trying to get more votes to kill the filibuster and move on to the the actual CR vote, where the Democrats can commit political suicide by actually voting against the people.

To elaborate for the OP, McConnell voted NO in order to retain the option to "move to reconsider" the bill if he can get enough votes to pass it. He would not be able to do that if he had voted YES.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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Either the OP is ignorant of how the Senate operates or he is deliberately trying to make Republicans look bad.

McConnell's change to a NO vote was a way to keep the vote on the table. He was not voting against the CR bill, he was voting to continue the Filibuster the Democrats started. This way he can keep trying to get more votes to kill the filibuster and move on to the the actual CR vote, where the Democrats can commit political suicide by actually voting against the people.
You nailed it right off the bat.

The Dems call it intellectual dishonesty.

They never miss a their opportunity at it.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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To elaborate for the OP, McConnell voted NO in order to retain the option to "move to reconsider" the bill if he can get enough votes to pass it. He would not be able to do that if he had voted YES.
Thanks. I knew there was a term for what he did. Just couldn’t remember what it was.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:45 PM
 
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RYAN: We have passed the CHIP program. That is the third CHIP long-term reauthorization we have passed in the House. And the Senate Democrats have been filibustering it each and every time.

We passed all 12 appropriation bills for all of government last September in the House. And the Senate Democrats have been filibustering those bills. We passed in December funding for these natural disasters in the hurricanes, and the Senate Democrats have been filibustering these bills.

So, the point I'm trying to make, John, is, the Senate Democrats have chosen filibuster CHIP, filibuster appropriations, filibuster getting these things done, and then blame the dysfunction on everybody else.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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To elaborate for the OP, McConnell voted NO in order to retain the option to "move to reconsider" the bill if he can get enough votes to pass it. He would not be able to do that if he had voted YES.
Again, that is incorrect. Watch the video. McConnell is NOT VOTING on the Continuous Resolution. He's raising an OBJECTION to McCaskill's "pay the military" measure.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:58 PM
 
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RYAN: We have passed the CHIP program. That is the third CHIP long-term reauthorization we have passed in the House. And the Senate Democrats have been filibustering it each and every time.

We passed all 12 appropriation bills for all of government last September in the House. And the Senate Democrats have been filibustering those bills. We passed in December funding for these natural disasters in the hurricanes, and the Senate Democrats have been filibustering these bills.

So, the point I'm trying to make, John, is, the Senate Democrats have chosen filibuster CHIP, filibuster appropriations, filibuster getting these things done, and then blame the dysfunction on everybody else.
And that will continue to happen until someone in control of the Senate forces them to revert back to the way they used to filibuster, when you had to keep speaking to keep control of the floor. The way it is now, they (Dems) just announce filibuster and the general public does not see who is holding the country hostage, while the party hacks filibustering, blame the other party.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:59 PM
 
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Again, that is incorrect. Watch the video. McConnell is NOT VOTING on the Continuous Resolution. He's raising an OBJECTION to McCaskill's "pay the military" measure.
They are spinning the heck outta this.

Fact IS - Obama saw to that his military was paid during the Republican shut down. I assume the Orange Shart could do the same thing.
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Old 01-21-2018, 06:03 PM
 
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Military people, if you don't get paid,
blame the Democrats for prioritizing illegals over American citizens.
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Old 01-21-2018, 06:04 PM
 
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Again, that is incorrect. Watch the video. McConnell is NOT VOTING on the Continuous Resolution. He's raising an OBJECTION to McCaskill's "pay the military" measure.
I watched it. The video was cut off at the moment he raised objection. What happened after that. Does the majority leader’s objection kill it or did something else occur after the objection that you didn’t let us see?

If the only thing you have to hang onto is that McConnell took away the Democrat’s attempt to provide cover for shutting down the government, thereby cutting off military pay, then your stance is a weak one.
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