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Old 01-22-2018, 05:14 PM
 
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This is a fight we can't win.
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Maybe all those dollars coming back from over seas will lead to a new manufacturing revolution here. Yeah right
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:41 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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WOW I fear for this country.
Yeah, a $600 Billion/year loss from intellectual property theft is a big piece of change.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/o...rty-trump.html

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Chinese Intellectual Property Theft Demands More Action | IP Theft | IndustryWeek
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:45 PM
 
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Where is the tariff on coal? hmmmm
The amount of coal imported into this country is a trivial amount and is far superseded by what we export. Last I checked most of it being used as thermal coal was being used at two plants, one in Florida and one near the Canadian border. In both cases it's just a matter of geography. The rest is imported for it's chemical characteristics and used in industrial processes.
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:46 PM
 
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I can see it now. Asia countries impose 50% tariff on United States coal.
Let them....
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:48 PM
 
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Well, I have a couple good friends who are likely to lose their jobs. In other areas, power costs will increase.

More likely, the Corporate dudes - who Trump is a mental midget compared to - will find a way around this by shipping through another country or letting some parts of it (glass and aluminum) be made here.

He's not really a bright bulb. His scope of planning.....well, for most of his life....involved the next time his dic got hardie and what he would do about it.

If we are lucky we will recover from Trump in a decade or two after he is gone. The problem is that we are so far behind already that staying the course means we are somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd world. I honestly never thought it would be this way - but who would have thought Americans themselves preferred being uncivilized to being the leaders of science and technology?
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:48 PM
 
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It should be 200%. We can make our own solar panels, and we shouldn't be importing anything from china in the first place. Bunch of commie garbage.

Yah, and I see another comment from someone with the same thought- we gotta kick out all the chinese nationals. They steal. They rob us blind...

lets start a list of all the crap they have stolen, I'll go first:

1. Supercomputer tech (and then Slick Willy gave them what they didn't steal.)
2. Nuclear warhead designs
3. Nuclear warhead trigger designs
4. ICBM command and control designs
5. ICBM re-entry body designs
6. ICBM MIRV designs

...getting scared yet?.....

7. Biological warfare stockpile information
8. High energy physics codes (useful in nuclear weapon simulations)
9. nanotechnology IP (of many kinds)
10. Next generation semiconductor IP (many companies victimized)

anyone else?
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:49 PM
 
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Stealing knowledge? You seriously just said that?! LOL
IP(intellectual property) theft is huge issue with China. This would include pirated software/media, counterfeit merchandise and patented products.
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:52 PM
 
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Would you really expect this admin to do anything at all to improve the environment? They are determined to set the US as far back as possible so that we will have to play catch-up with the world when it turns out the regressive policies aren't going to help the US compete. This whole protectionism thing is futile. It's been tried before--by Hoover.
Explain why we should be subsidizing Chinese manufacturers with US tax dollars and higher electric rates?
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:52 PM
 
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So increasing American manufacturing will kill American jobs....Demonic Rat thinking is completely and totally Fake News
Sigh. You really truly do not understand do you?

So, we will gain 900 jobs, but as the price point of panels go up we will lose thousands of installation jobs we might otherwise have because of the increased price point. This is pretty basic economics. So your argument is both insulting to others, and completely wrong.

As for losing these jobs....I honestly do not care. We are getting close to full employment.

But resolving things like this should have been done a long time ago before it basically allowed China to dominate the market. Before it forced a ton of technology transfer to them. They've never acted like reasonable trade partners, nor will they. 30% doesn't even come close to fixing this, or resolving the underlying issues. Its closing the barn door after the animals have left. A tariff now is trivial, it would have mattered when they were using government support to eventually takeover a market.

Trump isnt serious about Chinas trade issues yet. But at least this gives me some hope he might be someday.
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