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lol... why not just admit you were never actually okay with LGBT in the first place instead of using such ridiculous examples to justify what you already felt. At least have the decency to be honest about the millions of people you are okay seeing discriminated against. They have faces and names, btw.
It seems as if you and others don't realize that a much stronger complaint regarding "discrimination" can be made by those with religious beliefs. They actually DO have the First Amendment Right to Free Exercise (Religion) and Federally protected Civil Rights (Federal Civil Rights Act). LGBT do not have either.
Really? How about I do not support abortion? Am I still a feminist? No. Every feminist group at the march would shove me out the door while stealing my sign, and telling me how much I hate women.
Radicals do sway group ideology. And if everyone has their own definition of feminism then it does not qualify as a movement because there is no unifying ideal. It's just a group of people who all believe different things. I guess they like to wave signs and yell at anyone who doesn't agree with them? Is that what qualifies as feminism these days?
And yes, those that have DECLARED themselves feminists DO hold all those ideals I bolded. They are very angry, uninformed and aggressive women. I know. I've met them.
You are naive as well as uniformed.
I am not naive nor uninformed. Your argument is a cop out. You probably just aren't a feminist, period. You're using any excuse you can to distance yourself from the radical aspects of the movement while not standing up for what YOU believe in. You can't be bothered. That's fine, just don't act like no one would accept you or your beliefs or that all feminists believe all the radical things you think they do. You are dead set in your beliefs that the radicals represent ALL of feminism. You're misinformed, but obviously I can't sway you so you do you, man.
I'm going to stop you right there. The Right to exercise one's religion freely is a First Amendment Constitutional Right. Additionally, Religion is an enumerated protected class under the Federal Civil Rights Act. If you're unhappy about that, you need to work at Amending the Constitution to have that specific Constitutional Right removed, and get the US Congress to pass Federal legislation that removes Religion as a Federally protected class. Good luck on your endeavors.
I'm going to stop YOU right there. The fact that they may be able to claim constitutional protection doesn't make them possibly any less of a bigot or their real reasoning anything deeper and religious-based than mere blatant discrimination hiding behind religion.
Outside the law, many people don't give a flying eff that religious people may use their religion as an excuse to act like discriminatory a**holes. They are still a**holes.
Let me remind people again that I was raised Roman Catholic and was never taught to hate gays or that being gay was a sin or bad at all. It goes to show that people can say whatever they want about their religious beliefs. One consequence of the Court ruling in favor of the bakers is just that - people could claim anything on the basis of religion to refuse service. Anything ridiculous, irrational, blatantly discriminatory - in the name of religion. The justices had some concern about this, and rightfully.
Let me ask again whether the bakers in these cases also refuse to bake wedding cakes for divorced people who are getting remarried to other partners, or to people who have kids out of wedlock - or is it just gay people they refuse to make a cake for in the name of their religion, when there are far more blatant sins than the alleged sin of being gay?
I'm going to stop YOU right there. The fact that they may be able to claim constitutional protection doesn't make them possibly any less of a bigot or their real reasoning anything deeper and religious-based than mere blatant discrimination hiding behind religion.
Incorrect, and read your own words... Anyone who discriminates against others or uses such hateful language to describe others due to the others' religious beliefs, is themselves... a bigot.
You ARE exactly what you claim to protest.
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Outside the law, many people don't give a flying eff that religious people may use their religion as an excuse to act like discriminatory a**holes. They are still a**holes.
I'm going to remind you, yet again, that LGBT is NOT a protected class under the Federal Civil Rights Act, US Congress has repeatedly declined to make it so, and due to the US Constitution's Supremacy Clause, local/state law cannot supersede anyone's Constitutional Rights.
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Let me ask again whether the bakers in these cases also refuse to bake wedding cakes for divorced people who are getting remarried to other partners, or to people who have kids out of wedlock - or is it just gay people they refuse to make a cake for in the name of their religion, when there are far more blatant sins than the alleged sin of being gay?
They can decline to create a custom-order cake for whomever they wish. Literally millions of clients are turned down by businesses/vendors every year. Labor against one's will CANNOT be compelled, with the exception of convicted prisoners as allowed by the 13th Amendment. Neither can speech/expression be compelled.
^ If it's a genuine, shared religions belief or practice, okay. If it's something not everyone agrees with or isn't clear, then I am suspicious. As someone who was raised Catholic and went to CCD and got all sacraments through Confirmation and NEVER ONCE heard that being gay is a sin or anything at all about it period, I am suspicious of others who claim so. All I am saying is that it is very easy for people to claim that something is a religious belief to allow them to be discriminatory, or really behave however they want. It is easy for radicals to make certain claims about religion or interpret things a certain way to fit their agendas. Simply put, I may not believe some people and what they claim is a "religious belief."
You can stop with your broken record of supremacy clause law. It's not even relevant to what exactly I was saying because I specifically said "outside the context of the law." My point was that regular people may look at this kind of stuff and think "what utter BS, religious belief my a**."
Like I said, I will leave the complicated analysis and questions to consider to the experts on the bench, not internet lawyers (I say this as someone halfway through a JD).
You can stop with your broken record of supremacy clause law. It's not even relevant to what exactly I was saying because I specifically said "outside the context of the law." My point was that regular people may look at this kind of stuff and think "what utter BS, religious belief my a**."
They could, but that would make them bigots. Exactly the behavior you "claim" to be protesting.
I am not naive nor uninformed. Your argument is a cop out. You probably just aren't a feminist, period. You're using any excuse you can to distance yourself from the radical aspects of the movement while not standing up for what YOU believe in. You can't be bothered. That's fine, just don't act like no one would accept you or your beliefs or that all feminists believe all the radical things you think they do. You are dead set in your beliefs that the radicals represent ALL of feminism. You're misinformed, but obviously I can't sway you so you do you, man.
I am a traditional feminist. Period. As in equal, not more, not less, not full of hatred. I believe housewives are just as important as women who work. I believe that marriage is good and children are good, and abortion is wrong. And you have no idea what I do or do not do, so don't make assumptions = uninformed person= YOU.
And yes, the Women's March 2017, did in fact NOT allow a pro-life feminist group to sponsor it. Fact. They sent the check BACK. Didn't know that, did you? Of course not = uninformed person = YOU
You are stunningly naive and uninformed.
PS. I am not male. Yet another stunningly naive and uninformed comment = YOU. Keep proving my point, dear.
They could, but that would make them bigots. Exactly the behavior you "claim" to be protesting.
It is not bigotry to be suspicious of certain things certain people allege is a religious belief. If you really believe that NO ONE uses religion as an excuse for some beliefs or things they say or do, simply because they can, you are naive.
^ If it's a genuine, shared religions belief or practice, okay. If it's something not everyone agrees with or isn't clear, then I am suspicious. As someone who was raised Catholic and went to CCD and got all sacraments through Confirmation and NEVER ONCE heard that being gay is a sin or anything at all about it period, I am suspicious of others who claim so. All I am saying is that it is very easy for people to claim that something is a religious belief to allow them to be discriminatory, or really behave however they want. It is easy for radicals to make certain claims about religion or interpret things a certain way to fit their agendas. Simply put, I may not believe some people and what they claim is a "religious belief."
You can stop with your broken record of supremacy clause law. It's not even relevant to what exactly I was saying because I specifically said "outside the context of the law." My point was that regular people may look at this kind of stuff and think "what utter BS, religious belief my a**."
Like I said, I will leave the complicated analysis and questions to consider to the experts on the bench, not internet lawyers (I say this as someone halfway through a JD).
Good point. Bigots won't mention religion while they are having pre-marital sex, watching porn, gossiping etc including judging others. Look in the mirror before you condemn the way people choose to live when mentioning religion. I dislike seeing LGBT folks turning away from Christ because of judgmental humans that have their own negative agenda, flaws, and failures. Christ accepts and loves us beyond our choices. Keep hatred to yourself bigots!
It is not bigotry to be suspicious of certain things certain people allege is a religious belief.
No one has to "allege" anything. The religions themselves spell out exactly where they stand on the issue of same sex marriage. And take a good look... More prohibit it than sanction it.
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