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Old 01-29-2018, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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What is "offensive" is subjective, not objective.



It's always amazing how many people parrot "that's offensive" without being able to objectively explain why it's offensive.
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Old 01-29-2018, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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" It's better to let someone think you are an Idiot than to open your mouth and prove it. "
So you are an advocate of censorship? Very tolerant of other's opinions, I see.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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So you are an advocate of censorship? Very tolerant of other's opinions, I see.
What is being censored?
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:34 PM
 
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So, in other words....you got nothing and you're just barking at the sound of the metronome along with the other dogs.

Racist....woof....offensive... woof, woof.
I laid out my case clearly. It is really not difficult to understand, Bob.


If a business wants to change their logo to be more inclusive to others, than good on them.

Why does that bother you what they do with their logo? And who are you to claim what is offensive to Native Americans? Are you Native American?
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:36 PM
 
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Yes.....but there are limits to consequences.

When your delicate sensibilities bump up against someone else's rights...

Your bruised emotions will lose every time.

Because there is no such thing as a right to never be offended.
The only limit is government punishment.


By all means - say all of the offensive things you want to say (This is America, after all!!!!).


Just don't be surprised when you get plenty of free speech thrown back in your face. Because, again, this is America!!


Don't want to deal with the consequences? Maybe consider keeping it inside. Just some friendly advice.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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So you are an advocate of censorship? Very tolerant of other's opinions, I see.
LOL at calling this "censorship".

This is a conscious decision they are making for their business. No one has forced them to change their logo.


You are free to be as offensive as you want. No one is stopping you from doing so.

The Cleveland Indians organization, however, have made a choice to be more inclusive in their logo design. And I, for one, applaud them for it. As a general principle, I find living by the golden rule (do unto others as you would want done to you) to be a good aspiration. And even if they did so for monetary reasons (they are a business, after all), I appreciate the move, nonetheless.
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Old 01-29-2018, 09:53 PM
 
Location: USA
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I laid out my case clearly. It is really not difficult to understand, Bob.


If a business wants to change their logo to be more inclusive to others, than good on them.

Why does that bother you what they do with their logo? And who are you to claim what is offensive to Native Americans? Are you Native American?
Are you? You seem to speak for them?
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Old 01-29-2018, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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What is being censored?
You seek to control the thought processes of the young and impressionable by directing scorn against anyone who doesn't see things exactly as you and your friends within the (supposedly-) enlightened Circe of the Politically Correct do; and any bad example you can find, such as the handful of true "white nationalists' are depicted as typical of all conservatives - traditionalist, libertarian, or anything in between (and they say "progressives" don't resort to stereotypes. )

Nearly niney years ago, at the onset of the Great Depression, the Democrats played the same game with white-ethnic voters, depicting all Republicans as rich, white, Protestant idlers who hid out at country clubs; the strategy only worked until more of the Democrats' new recruits recognized that they too, had something to lose rather than something to loot, and the cycle is in the process of repeating itself.
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Old 01-29-2018, 10:08 PM
 
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The only limit is government punishment.


By all means - say all of the offensive things you want to say (This is America, after all!!!!).


Just don't be surprised when you get plenty of free speech thrown back in your face. Because, again, this is America!!


Don't want to deal with the consequences? Maybe consider keeping it inside. Just some friendly advice.
BTW, the government actually DID try and go after the Redskins for their name. Perhaps the Indians didn't want to suffer the same fate of all the hassle.
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Old 01-29-2018, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Somebody made a business decision. Don't like it? Don't buy tickets to Cleveland games or buy their gear. You might want to stock up on Redskins merchandise while you're at it.
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