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Old 01-31-2018, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust View Post
I agree, but how would that be realistically enforced? Obesity is readily apparent, but poor lifestyle habits can be concealed and lied about.
Given 75% of us are overweight- obese, it is the single greatest healthcare risk. A simple waist measurement is the best assessment.

If we could wave a magic wand and right size the population, the incidence of heart disease, some Cancers, Diabetes, stroke, high BP and joint deterioration would substantially decline, as would the cost of healthcare, thus insurance premiums.

Smoking, substance abuse and reckless hobbies are secondary and beyond risks.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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I think the obese and smokers should pay triple the premiums I pay.
We do. Maybe not triple but it is more than a health non smoker.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Do you have any links to back-up that information?
Here one well balanced link that demonstrates the increased risks and costs.

https://health.usnews.com/health-new...at-for-surgery

Albeit anecdotal, I know several obese people who have been unable to find a surgeon willing to perform joint replacement surgery unless/ until they lose X pounds. It does not appear surgeons expect perfection. Rather it's more about a 300 pounder losing 50 pounds so they are more able to engage in the physical therapy process, following surgery.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I have no idea what right wing R's want, but I know I prefer to go back to the days where govt stayed out of it and insurance wasn't a necessity to pay a medical bill.
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When exactly were "the days where government stayed out of it and insurance wasn't a necessity to pay a medical bill"?

In the US:

Healthcare insurance is a relatively modern construct. Hospitalization insurance however, goes back 100 years, decades before Pennicillion and vaccinations against Polio. People typically landed in the hospital to die.

Labor shortages in the 40's compelled many employers to offer an insurance benefit to their employees.

Medicine, just 50 years ago, was primitive by today's standards. Survival rates were dismal by today's standards. Things that were not even diagnocable and usually fatal are now treatable and often curable. The good old days of healthcare were not so good.

Then came the HMO. The Nixon Admin advocated for HMOs. Congress passed and Nixon signed legislation requiring employers who offered insurance benefits to employees to include at least one HMO option. To compete, traditional insurers expanded their plans to include general healthcare.

Not sure most folk want to go back to a time of relatively primitive medicine when people died of a simple absessed tooth.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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We do. Maybe not triple but it is more than a health non smoker.
Smokers have been paying a premium for Individual Plans for about 18 years.

Overweight/ obese, not so much.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I dont see anyone advocating against any of that, its about empowering politicians and bureaucrats to ration healthcare based on their whims and those of their cronie$.
Pay to play, you might want familiarize yourself with the gov/crony created food pyramid foisted on the people.
Whims have nothing to do with it. Cold, hard numbers are the reason - both actuarial statistics and patient outcomes. I'm not sure why you are so eager to see your insurance premiums and your taxes go up to provide elective surgery to medically iffy individuals, but oh well.

FTR, I'm overweight myself. So this is not a case of a skinny person sneering at fat people.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Government healthcare rationing will only get worse. Big Government people love to tell others how to live their lives. The UK is a leader on that front.
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Remember this temporary ban?
Obese people will be routinely refused operations across the NHS, health service bosses have warned, after one authority said it would limit procedures on an unprecedented scale.

Hospital leaders in North Yorkshire said that patients with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or above – as well as smokers – will be barred from most surgery for up to a year amid increasingly desperate measures to plug a funding black hole. The restrictions will apply to standard hip and knee operations.

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery *in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

Now it's permanent.

NHS provokes fury with indefinite surgery ban for smokers and obese*
Any word yet on what they're going to do with the "wretched" ?
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Government healthcare rationing will only get worse. Big Government people love to tell others how to live their lives. The UK is a leader on that front.
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Remember this temporary ban?
Obese people will be routinely refused operations across the NHS, health service bosses have warned, after one authority said it would limit procedures on an unprecedented scale.

Hospital leaders in North Yorkshire said that patients with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or above – as well as smokers – will be barred from most surgery for up to a year amid increasingly desperate measures to plug a funding black hole. The restrictions will apply to standard hip and knee operations.

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery *in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

Now it's permanent.

NHS provokes fury with indefinite surgery ban for smokers and obese*
Next they'll cut off the pro Brexit deplorables. The only way you can make a system like that work is to ration services and control who gets the benefits.
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Old 01-31-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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When exactly were "the days where government stayed out of it and insurance wasn't a necessity to pay a medical bill"?
Before FDR decided to freeze wages, and employers decided to respond by offering health insurance as part of the workers' compensation to get around the wage freeze. Government interference is the reason we're in this mess.
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:25 AM
 
Location: USA
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The word “balderdash” has 10 letters. And it’s not really considered a “bad” word. Anyone know any 9 letter cuss words per the OP?
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