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So... How did they get info on others in Trump's campaign?
Let's go back to 2012 and how the Democrats knew so much and the leaks of it.
2011 and Obama got caught doing what they got caught doing this time around.
I've read it. That's the Press Release for the Complaint; you need to read the full Complaint plus the Yahoo article (that makes clear from the identical quotes that Page is MALE-1 in the Complaint). The SVR agents were in the Economic Directorate tasked with focusing on two sectors: 1. economic sanctions (banking) and 2. alternate energy sources.
The agents attempted to recruit *multiple* individuals within both sectors over the course of a couple of years until the FBI shut it down.
UCE-1 is the FBI "employee" (whose cover was within the energy sector like Page) who was recruited by Sporyshev; HE's the one who planted the recruiting devices that later picked up Podobynn who was attempting to recruit Page (Male-1) and others. If you take a look at the Complaint filing you'll see that Page never ever met Sporyshev.
None of the attempted recruits from the New York City group are even mentioned in the Press Release. This is where Male-1 comes in. (It's kind of funny to read how unsuccessful Podobynn was with the attempted female recruits and why.) This suggests that what Page turned over wasn't terribly damning - probably in contrast to the "purported" official US documents that Buryakov received that *were* singled out in the PR. Still others were involved here - another UC employee (UCE-2) and an undercover source working with the FBI (CS-1) - again, not Page.
The Complaint is an indictment against the SVR agents, not Page and so it doesn't discuss Page or what he turned over other than to quote how Podobynn played him. The FBI found Page's response to Podobynn notable enough that they wrote them into the Complaint, probably as an example of how the agents worked.
There's no allegation that Page is a "spy" and it's hard to pick up exactly what he thought he was doing.
But the posters who write that even Page himself does not maintain he was "working" with the FBI seem correct (he calls himself a "witness"). And it was here that Page got his name into FBI files and thus came under their "radar."
With, then, all that was to follow - whatever that may be.
Seriously? Read the description in the DOJ document. Matches up to Page.
What you mean here is that both UCE-1 and MALE-1 (Page) were in the energy sectors? That's not a odd coincidence - again, that was one of the two sector the Economic Directorate agents were focusing on with multiple recruits.
Quite intriguing to FIRST look at the original documents THEN actually read as they are reported in the press. Here's the link to the NYT article that discusses the outcome of Page's involvement with the SVR agents:
Quote:
The F.B.I. interviewed Mr. Page in 2013 as part of an investigation into the spy ring, but decided that he had not known the man was a spy, and the bureau never accused Mr. Page of wrongdoing.
Even more interesting is how another so-called news source - Conservative Tree House - deliberately ??? (probably) - selectively truncates the NYT article to make it appear from NYT-generated printed that Page is UCE-1.
"The court documents say that Mr. Page, who founded an investment company in New York called Global Energy Capital, provided documents about the energy business to one of the Russians. […] To record their conversations, the F.B.I. inserted a listening device into binders that were passed to the Russian intelligence operatives during an energy conference, according to a former United States intelligence official."
This strongly implies that the "their" is Page and Podobynn. And it would not be unreasonable for a reader to assume that Page put the listening devices into the binders, making him UCE-1. No ... the "their" is Podobynn and Sporyshev (and fellow agents) - that CTH hid by the truncation.
There's NO way that CTH could have actually read the Complaint and the NYT article and not realized that. There are all kinds details that don't match - somewhere I read, can't now find it in the actual Complaint - recording went on for 2 years (tho there may have been other options) with the binders being transferred from UCE1 to Sporyshev then returned (there was a cover story about how UCE1 had to get them back to his bosses) ... Page in the NYT article linked by CTH says he met Podobynn ONCE.
My take is that CTH deliberately spread a false narrative. How did they put it? "If you ignore the narrative, you discover the UCE1 description is Carter Page."
Again, opposition research does not mean the information is false.
The FBI's obligation under the Woods Procedures, which are the requirements for evidence submitted to support a FISA warrant, is that all evidence submitted must be "extreme-vetted" for accuracy.
The suggestion that something is true until it is proven false is about as far removed from what is required here by the FBI as you can possibly get.
The FBI's obligation under the Woods Procedures, which are the requirements for evidence submitted to support a FISA warrant, is that all evidence submitted must be "extreme-vetted" for accuracy.
The suggestion that something is true until it is proven false is about as far removed from what is required here by the FBI as you can possibly get.
Guy who never heard of Woods Procedures before today cites it as proof of Deep State FBI conspiracy. Superb.
The FBI's obligation under the Woods Procedures, which are the requirements for evidence submitted to support a FISA warrant, is that all evidence submitted must be "extreme-vetted" for accuracy.
The suggestion that something is true until it is proven false is about as far removed from what is required here by the FBI as you can possibly get.
It's looking pretty likely that the FBI did in fact violate the Woods Procedures.
I've read it. That's the Press Release for the Complaint
No, that's the Press Release for a guilty plea.
Let's review the info...
Page is UCE-1 (Under Cover Employee). Here's a snip:
Quote:
"The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting documentation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices."
"According to court documents filed in 2015, the FBI secretly recorded Mr. Podobnyy and another Russian operative named Igor Sporyshev discussing efforts to recruit Mr. Page, who was then working in New York as a consultant.
To record their conversations, the FBI inserted a listening device into binders that were passed to the Russian intelligence operatives during an energy conference, according to a former United States intelligence official. The Russians then took the binders into a secure room where they thought they could evade American intelligence eavesdropping attempts."
All that you've cited appears to be correct but it doesn't get you where you want to go.
You've pulled up, though, a sentence that I hadn't focused on - that the binders were read in a secure room to avoid eavesdropping. So the binders needed to go back and forth between UCE-1 and Sporydev for a device to be retrieved? Again, this is not the story of Page and Podobynn.
Not how Page tells it. Not how the Complaint tells it. Only as CTH (and perhaps other rightwing blogs) "report."
I only stumbled into this because of another thread where someone brought it up, then when clicking into Yahoo to check Dow I happened to see the Yahoo Finance article on the Laura Ingraham interview ...
If you can find any half-way reputable source (Fox News, not Hannity) that reports or even maintains that Page is UCE1, I'm sure willing to take a look and be corrected.
Remember, this is only relevant because of how it is an ingredient in various conspiracy theories - so there may not be much out there to find.
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