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Old 02-03-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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The corporate model is to give the stock owners and share holders the most return on their 'investments'.

Corporate bean counters and the conglomerates they work for do this by off-shoring jobs and exploiting other countries. They also resort to using products of an inferior quality that assure continuing profits in repairing the substandard product; One example being the transition to HE washing machines which may have gotten better but still do not last nearly as long as many of the older style ones. What is the point of an HE appliance if it does not do its job and needs to be replaced or repaired five times as often?

Now if a corporation does make a product that is poorly constructed, their reputation will eventually suffer. But how these corporations go about making their products is not in the interest of quality and integrity, but profits and stock prices. See the conundrum here?

The globalist corporate model is now that of creating questionably constructed products with lots of bells and whistles while sacrificing quality and economic integrity. Yet still most people still buy into all of the marketing gimmicks left and right.

Remember how unions were made during the early 20th century because of the sweatshop conditions that immigrants worked in? These same type of condition probably exist in many of the foreign countries that are exploited by corporations for the maximization of profits and yet still many many people still have no problem with buying into it.


Can someone explain how the stock market is in any way a good barometer of a healthy economy in the U.S.?
How is money put into what amounts to investing in bean-counting and exploitation a sound way to build an economy based on integrity and quality?
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Old 02-03-2018, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Retirement funds (401K, IRAs..etc.) need a robust market to perform. I'm not going off into weeds as you did with all the offshoring nonsense because that is more a result of high tax rates combined with regulations and wages.

We have a strong market which is a barometer of public confidence in the economy. Now we have a flood of money coming back to the US, rising wages, and manufacturing jobs. This, in turn, is causing inflation to come back, which is actually a good thing if kept at a healthy level. This will actually benefit savers and retirement pools for the first time in 10 years. It also translates into more investment into Treasury Bills and the bond market which will further boost the economy.
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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Stock market profits can also be the result of strategies that have nothing to do with growing the economy.

Buying companies, breaking them up, and selling off the pieces.

Merging two companies, loading one with all the debt and taking it into bankruptcy.

Bundling bad mortgages and passing them around as solid investments.

Passing around overvalued stocks (real estate, etc.) at ever inflated prices.

...

Borrowing for all of this until someone gets the Old Maid and the house of cards collapses.
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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Retirement funds (401K, IRAs..etc.) need a robust market to perform. I'm not going off into weeds as you did with all the offshoring nonsense because that is more a result of high tax rates combined with regulations and wages.

We have a strong market which is a barometer of public confidence in the economy. Now we have a flood of money coming back to the US, rising wages, and manufacturing jobs. This, in turn, is causing inflation to come back, which is actually a good thing if kept at a healthy level. This will actually benefit savers and retirement pools for the first time in 10 years. It also translates into more investment into Treasury Bills and the bond market which will further boost the economy.
Smoke, mirrors and specualtion ^^^^

Democrats are by and large the globalist party. Many republicans do capitalize on it but they certainly do not embrace and patronize the globalist economic model as do the democrats. Historical fact proves this They love their offshore sweatshop made products and the corporations that produce and sell them, such as Apple and Amazon.

They are slaves to global corporatis and all of the exploitation that goes along with it. The democrats vicious circle of dysfunction is what makes the already wealthy more wealthy and they incessantly complain about it but do not do anything substantial to fix the problem.

This is evidenced by the outcry of the democrats when tax rates were lowered to get corporations to keep the revenue inside the U.S., instead of offshore banks. Republicans are not constantly touting how globalism is good, most real republicans are in fact rejecting the globalist model, unlike the democrats.
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Because when their lords are doing well, they figure they may get a few more crumbs thrown in the mud for them to fight over.
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:24 AM
 
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GDP growth, Wage growth, Productivity, Disposable income, Savings rate - Combined with moderate inflation are better signs of a strong economy. You can have a growing stock market with terrible economic conditions, take 2010-2011 for example we had the market rising for all the wrong reasons. 0% bond yield, massive money printing/dumping(QE), 3 trillion in deficit spending.
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:25 AM
 
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Stocks sure seemed to matter before Trump was elected.

CNBC: If Trump wins, stocks will crash 50%
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:26 AM
 
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Stock market profits can also be the result of strategies that have nothing to do with growing the economy.

Buying companies, breaking them up, and selling off the pieces.

Merging two companies, loading one with all the debt and taking it into bankruptcy.

Bundling bad mortgages and passing them around as solid investments.

Passing around overvalued stocks (real estate, etc.) at ever inflated prices.

...

Borrowing for all of this until someone gets the Old Maid and the house of cards collapses.
Is that you, Mittens?



Like many others, the IRA is making a bunch of money. But it is because business has been turned loose to do any damn thing they please.

I got a bunch of money, but I can't drink the water or breathe the air.
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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Is that you, Mittens?



Like many others, the IRA is making a bunch of money. But it is because business has been turned loose to do any damn thing they please.

I got a bunch of money, but I can't drink the water or breathe the air.
Exaggerate much?
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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Exaggerate much?
My morning paper informed me that a start up toxic waste disposal company dumped hundreds of gallons of benzene and other chemicals into a storm drain that they hid with trucks. The dumping was close to houses and schools. No need to exaggerate.

Last week it was weakened or deleted rules for the EPA.
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