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Old 02-09-2018, 10:27 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The various far-left governments in the SF bay area (mostly San Francisco and San Jose) have been stridently telling everybody how wonderful they are making their cities, just as leftist and fascist governments have done since time immemorial. And they have been zoning off land to prevent residential building, proclaiming "sanctuary city" status for more and more places, welcoming the homeless and the illegal aliens, providing free stuff for more and more people, hiking taxes again and again to pay for it all, etc.

Some people keep voting for those liberal fanatics, returning them to office time and again by large margins. They seem to like all the free stuff, and the chance to "get revenge" on the "greedy, heartless" people whom the govt and the media tell them are the bad guys.

But unlike in socialist and other fascist countries whose policies are similar, longtime residents also have the ability to "vote with their feet"... and more and more are doing exactly that.

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San Francisco Bay Area Experiences Mass Exodus Of Residents « CBS San Francisco

San Francisco Bay Area Experiences Mass Exodus Of Residents

By Len Ramirez
February 8, 2018 at 5:32 pm

SAN JOSE (KPIX 5) – The number of people packing up and moving out of the Bay Area just hit its highest level in more than a decade.

Carole Dabak spent 40 years living in San Jose and now she’s part of the mass exodus that is showing no signs of slowing down. The retired engineer’s packing up and calling it quits about to move to the state of Tennessee. “I loved it here when I first got here. I really loved it here. But it’s just not the same,” Dabak said.

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Of course people come and go from the Bay Area all the time, but for the first time in a long time, more people are leaving the Bay Area than are coming in. And the number one place in the country for out-migration is now, right here.

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Dabak cites crowding, crime and politics as the reasons for her own exodus. “We don’t like it here anymore. You know, we don’t like this sanctuary state status and just the politics,” she said.

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Old 02-09-2018, 10:33 AM
 
Location: planet earth
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So who are all of the masses overpaying for housing?
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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So who are all of the masses overpaying for housing?
The majority are probably leaving because they can't afford the housing.
This would be good news for San Francisco, and if it's Democrats leaving and moving to battle ground states, it's good news for all.
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Ah yes, another right winger ridiculing one of the most successful places in the world.

San Francisco and San Jose - Silicon Valley, mind you - has somehow become a failure. It doesn't seem to occur to these people that the insanely high prices - which are the major reason for people leaving - are a sign of success, not failure. How many times does this have to be pointed out to them? Before you know it, they will be telling us Singapore, Zurich and Geneva are horrible, failed cities just because they're expensive.
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:41 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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The majority are probably leaving because they can't afford the housing.
This would be good news for San Francisco, and if it's Democrats leaving and moving to battle ground states, it's good news for all.
Bingo.

70K in TN is middle middle class.
70K in SF is scraping by one layoff and a month away from homeless.
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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The majority are probably leaving because they can't afford the housing.
This would be good news for San Francisco, and if it's Democrats leaving and moving to battle ground states, it's good news for all.
I've pretty well lived my whole life in California short of four years in Hawaii, so I can speak from at least that experience, some 60 years now in the making...

I could have also chosen to live just about any other place in America. In fact, part of why I left employment with a large Fortune 500 company is because they were apt to transfer me and my family to other parts of the country like they did when they transferred me from the Bay Area to Hawaii. "The writing was on the wall" as they say, and since I didn't want to leave California or the Bay Area once transferred back, nor did I want my kids getting moved from state to state, school to school, I quit and started my own business in the Bay Area.

I moved from Southern California to Northern California for college and never looked back. I fell in love with the Bay Area at hello, for a wide variety of reasons that still has me awfully close to the Bay area still today. I now live in the Monterey Bay area that has always been my retirement goal. I'm now retired, and loving every day of it here.

The politics suit me, because I am a progressive. I struggle with many of the more conservative ways and notions that tend to describe California and/or progressives like you do. I'll leave all that alone for the purpose of this comment, ultimately to say, "you get what you pay for." I have long known people who compare California real estate values with those in other states where I too could simply "cash in" and move where I can buy twice the size home for half the price, pay lower taxes too! Thing is though, "you get what you pay for," and people who don't really understand why the cost of housing in a city like San Francisco is so high really don't appreciate the things that people staying in the Bay Area appreciate most!

I know people still here as long as I have been here, and I know people who have left. Inevitably those who have left have fulfilled their goal of living less expensively, with more house at less cost, but ask them if they don't miss much about California they can't get where they now live -- beginning with the weather -- and so begins the confession that is more common than non-Californians seem aware, and more common than those leaving want to admit. One friend I know now suffers from depression from lack of the sunny days she had grown used to in California...

I could go on about all that is so wonderful here, as I have too often done when showing visitors around, but I'll leave it here for now. Just what else to think about when going on about this subject. Yes of course, there is a reason people are leaving (and we could do with a few less people around here no doubt). Not really a new story there, but there is also a reason people are staying despite the record higher cost of housing, a reason people pay and/or drive up that higher cost of housing even still today to new highs. For balance, only fair to consider both sides of that story. Right?
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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So, some people still like the place, and some don't.

It used to be that more and more people were moving TO the SF bay area.

Now? For the first time in a long time, more people are fleeing than are coming in.

Both sides.
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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Ah yes, another right winger ridiculing one of the most successful places in the world.

San Francisco and San Jose - Silicon Valley, mind you - has somehow become a failure. It doesn't seem to occur to these people that the insanely high prices - which are the major reason for people leaving - are a sign of success, not failure. How many times does this have to be pointed out to them? Before you know it, they will be telling us Singapore, Zurich and Geneva are horrible, failed cities just because they're expensive.
Hey Kansas, when you have lived in San Francisco or the Bay Area for as long as some of us have lived here, then you can then make a valid assessment of the place. Until then, refrain from jumping in to chum up to SF'ers , when you have no idea what you are talking about. Then again , the mere thought of SV and Apple and Google and Liberal politics and billionaires and Facebook and on and on and on , does provide a rush to cultivate a kindred spirit among likeminded Liberal minds in all their guises, regardless of location such as yours in the Mid West. Trust me, that very last fact might even exclude you , as I have seen from being part of the select SF/Bay Area mix. In fact, in all my years working in SV, and residing in San Francisco, the people I see leave the fastest, are people from the Mid West, many examples to cite over the years, who can just can never get over the fact that San Francisco is picky and does not grant admission to all. The place is now just as aggressive as New York or Los Angeles. It is truly a mix of true cosmopolitan life with little to no place for the attitudes and lifestyle habits of the Mid West.
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Bingo.

70K in TN is middle middle class.
70K in SF is scraping by one layoff and a month away from homeless.
That is if you find a job in TN that pays 70K. It's more like upper middle class.
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:29 AM
 
Location: USA
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People are still moving to the SF area from all over the world for the lucrative tech business. Until the tech industry starts picking up and moving to middle America or China there's going to be a large demand for fresh talent. Almost all of the trash about SF is false except for the cost of living and that the people aren't very friendly. For instance, homeless people are almost all in one part of the city that most people avoid.
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