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Old 02-13-2018, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Both sides need to stop weaponizing the MeToo narrative. Let the people intimately involved work out their own problems privately. Otherwise, do you want your employers to say they have the right to know what you do with your spouse or significant other?


I see the republicans learned a new word, "weaponizing". The incident was over 35 years ago, he took responsibility for his actions don't you have anything from this century.


Trump claimed Porter was innocent ignoring the fact that he had a restraining order and formal police reports of the abuse. Seems like this should have popped up pretty quickly but they choose to ignore it for a year, this didn't require an in-depth investigation. Someone on the White House staff ratted them out.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Democrats are smart enough to cover up and make sure news is followed by smearing the other side. That's the Alinsky approach.

Your posts, including ^ , consistently demonstrate smear.

Too many politicians and the broad media that feed off them often resort to smear. It's as bipartisan as it gets.

Thank goodness, most folk don't trend extreme in their politics.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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When the Rob Porter scandal broke, I wonder why mainstream media didn't mention Delaware Dem Senator Carper slapped his ex hard enough to give her a black eye.

The Delaware Democrat first faced accusations of domestic abuse back in 1982 during his first run for Congress, but he called the accusation "without basis in fact" and prevailed in the election.

In a 1998 interview reported on late last year by the Washington Free Beacon, however, Carper admitted it was true all along.

The story Carper initially called "totally false" was based on a 1981 court deposition that included Carper admitting to giving his now-deceased first wife "some discoloration of her left eye and some puffiness."

I think people can change. If someone has to keep 'paying' for his crime, even when never charged, then we should give every criminal life sentences since their lives are ruined forever as they are irredeemable.
1982? Wow! You had to dig deep for this deflection of what is going on now!
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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MSM is a liberal news media source, correct? At least the liberal don't sweep things like this under the rug or congratulate the abuser for being a good guy.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Porter was fired. If the left and the media wasn't trying to turn Porter's case in to a "take'em all down!" sort of snowball effect type story there probably wouldn't be efforts from the right to dig up stories about people from the left in order to keep that snowball from getting out of control. Why does every story that comes out have to be the Big One that's gonna take'em all down once and for all? Why can't any of these stories just be what they are?
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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When the Rob Porter scandal broke, I wonder why mainstream media didn't mention Delaware Dem Senator Carper slapped his ex hard enough to give her a black eye.

The Delaware Democrat first faced accusations of domestic abuse back in 1982 during his first run for Congress, but he called the accusation "without basis in fact" and prevailed in the election.

In a 1998 interview reported on late last year by the Washington Free Beacon, however, Carper admitted it was true all along.

The story Carper initially called "totally false" was based on a 1981 court deposition that included Carper admitting to giving his now-deceased first wife "some discoloration of her left eye and some puffiness."

I think people can change. If someone has to keep 'paying' for his crime, even when never charged, then we should give every criminal life sentences since their lives are ruined forever as they are irredeemable.
I respect the OP's point of view. And I respect the OP feeling that the 2 incidents are similar. Both involved men in government positions who abused their wives.

The problem I have with this argument is that the accusations against Porter (from 2 ex-wives and 1 ex-girlfriend) show a pattern of behavior on Porter's part. The accusations are current, all three women are still alive, and the accusations are pertinent, in that Porter was in a position to control access to the President of the United States. While the President may have heard Porter absolutely deny the accusations, what I heard was Porter saying that many (pointedly, not ALL) of the allegations were false. That's not an absolute denial, that's a tepid denial.

The accusations against Carper are over one incident, the victim is dead and so she is not speaking out today, and we have zero accusations that Carper has abused anyone else. So there is no pattern of behavior. The fact that the victim is not speaking out today is probably why the mainstream media isn't giving the story heavy coverage.

The media's coverage of the Porter story isn't just about a pattern of abuse in Porter's relationships with women. It's also about this administration's response. The women say they told the security clearance investigators about the abuse months ago. Porter was given an interim security clearance in order to do his job, but the interim security clearance told the administration that there were problems. Evidently, this administration didn't care. And when the story broke, the administration's reaction essentially ignored the women, focusing solely on Porter who was one of their own. That's problematic, because it, too, is part of a pattern of behavior in which this administration engages.

More than that, I object to people who seem to dismiss these allegations as interchangeable. They aren't interchangeable to the victims. And they aren't minor. Not to the victim, but also not to the perpetrator of the abuse. Whether the perpetrator has issues with women, or issues with anger, or issues with impulse control, those issues need to be addressed. Sweeping them under the rug doesn't benefit anyone.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Hmmm Rob Porter is in the white house viewing our countries most sensitive information without a security clearance. Some senator hits his now deceased ex wife in the 80's.

Which is the bigger story?
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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This would have been a blip if it wasn't for the security clearance and Trump's inability to release a well crafted statement.

The White House has a horrendous issue with controlling their message. None seem to have the ability to communicate in an appropriate way.

There is most definitely a way of crafting a public statement slamming spousal abuse and not throwing Porter under the bus but this staff doesn't know how to. So it appears that Trump is saying Porters ex-wives are lying and Porter is the victim.
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