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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-14-2018, 03:04 PM
 
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Sheriff just said, 14 injured, "some" fatalities, shooter in custody (approx. age 18) former student. Building has not been cleared.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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It's down ... but there are still screengrabs out there.

Specifically one that references "Allahu Akbar."

Alrighty then.
Where?
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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Yep. The country as a whole will mumble something rote about prayers for the families, yadda, yadda, yadda, and with a collective YAWN!, will move on to what's for dinner. That's about the extent of the reaction we'll see to yet another gun slaughter.

Americans love their guns more than they love their fellow Americans. We don't even pretend otherwise any longer.
Yup, and the left will yell more laws.....

More people die from given the wrong prescription.....I guess those deaths don't matter, but continue with your fake outrage.

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Through their analysis of four other studies examining death rate information, the doctors estimate there are at least 251,454 deaths due to medical errors annually in the United States.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/healt...ath/index.html


Facts be damned....
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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According to Miami Herald , Nicholous Cruz (19) identified as suspect. He is a former JROTC member and used an assault rifle.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Imagine the resources that would be required to monitor every person considered a potential threat.
Think "East Germany" where the children in school were taught to monitor their parents for subversive thinking.
"And several other countries that no longer exist, and some that do."
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:06 PM
 
Location: NC
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Americans love their guns more than they love their fellow Americans. We don't even pretend otherwise any longer.
arent schools a "gun free" zone, that means the shooter knew there would no armed good people that would be able to shoot back, right?
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:06 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Default What is the "cause" of all these office shootings, school shootings etc.?

Whenever a mass shooting like this happens, we always go through the usual "Oh my, why did he do it, what caused him to do it, what could we have done to prevent this" litany. Every time. I suppose it's only natural to think those things after some horrible tragedy like this.

But wondering what we could have done to prevent it, doesn't mean there WAS anything we could have done.

An hour ago was the first I've heard of this event, and I know nothing about it except what we've all seen on TV or in forum posts etc.

But I can probably predict how things will go - since they have gone this way for every other mass murder like this.

The shooter's motives will be analyzed... and it will be found that he didn't really have any "normal" motives. He didn't hate the thirty or forty people he shot. He didn't even know most of them, perhaps didn't know any of them at all.

It will be found that he was a loner who was unhappy and a little weird, but not obviously homicidal. And/or his girlfriend jilted him last week. Or that he got a reprimand on his job. Or got a speeding ticket in his car. Or that he just got back from Iraq where he was greatly stressed. Or that his parents he was living with (if he was) suggested that he get off his duff and get a job. Or he got up two mornings ago, saw a green tree with a red bird in it, and decided from that to go and kill a bunch of people. Or some other thing happened that people can point to as the "trigger" that set him off.

And nobody, but nobody, will point out the fact that the thing that "set him off", is something that happens to various people every day, by the thousands or millions across this country... and none of THEM got a gun and started blasting away at everyone in sight. Not even the loners who were unhappy and a little weird... of which there are lots, in this country of 300 million people.

Why did he do it? Because there was something broken inside his head.

Not something that caused him to lurch around, drooling and babbling and slapping himself. But something that remained pretty much hidden, until a "stimulus" that hundreds of thousands of people get every day, happened to him this time. And the broken thing inside his head caused him to react very differently from the way everyone else has reacted over the eons.

What could have we done to prevent it? Not a damned thing. Because we don't have a "broken thing detector". Nothing else could have foretold that he would do this.

Even if we did have a "broken thing detector", it would probably register on 10% of the population, or more... the vast majority of whom will still never shoot anybody. What we don't know about the inner workings of the brain, would fill books, volumes, encyclopedia sets... if we knew enough about it to write them, which we don't. The "psychologists" we will see on TV for the next several weeks, are completely ignorant of what was wrong with this guy... and the honest ones will tell you that straight out. But those aren't the ones who will be on TV.

Well, that's what will happen over the next weeks. And a few people will say that if we make some laws about certain things, we will have "done something about it"... with no particular reason to think they will have any actual effect on the next guy with a broken thing inside his head.

Here we go again. As we did last time, and the time before that, and the time before that.

Useful result: ZERO. Just like last time, etc.

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Old 02-14-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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Don't forget the candlelight vigil. At least our president does not make any pretense by showing up and mourning with the victims. He does remind us, though, that it is too soon to talk about a real solution.
It always is...
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:07 PM
 
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And in other countries they are using cars, vans, knives, acid, homemade bombs...


This a crisis in mental health and/or evil.
So far in 2018 there have been 1,799 deaths by firearms in the U.S., not counting suicides. How does that compare to other countries? 29 of those were mass shootings. How does that compare to other countries?

You can't fight evil, but you can do something about every nut on the street having a gun.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:07 PM
 
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Just home school kids via internet. Think of the money taxpayers would save.
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