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Yep. The country as a whole will mumble something rote about prayers for the families, yadda, yadda, yadda, and with a collective YAWN!, will move on to what's for dinner. That's about the extent of the reaction we'll see to yet another gun slaughter.
Americans love their guns more than they love their fellow Americans. We don't even pretend otherwise any longer.
Want to make America great? Stop with legislation that enables the individual American, but rather have legislation that enables a community of Americans.
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So far in 2018 there have been 1,799 deaths by firearms in the U.S., not counting suicides. How does that compare to other countries? 29 of those were mass shootings. How does that compare to other countries?
You can't fight evil, but you can do something about every nut on the street having a gun.
Right. Because (a) this thread isn't about a school shooting and (b) people can't be concerned about more than one thing at a time.
Stop using every.single.thread as an opportunity to bash us.
A. I don't care.
B.. Sure they can.
When people stop stating that people love their guns over people then maybe, yet, you did not stand up against .your. buddy.....why is that, why do you agree with him?
Try keeping crazy people in institutions like we used to instead of letting them run loose in society.
It used to be that a citizen could petition a court to have someone committed to a mental institution, and the court could grant such committment if enough valid evidence was presented.
This changed in the 1960s and 70s.
In 1967 two Democrats and a Republican in California's state legislature came up with the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act, designed to end INVOLUNTARY commitments of mentallly ill, alcoholic, etc. people into large mental institutions. The LPS Act was hailed by liberals all over the country as putting an end to eeevil government practices of dictating to helpless victims where they would go and what treatments they would get whether they liked it or not. It was overwhelmingly passed by California's Assembly and Senate, and finally signed by Governor Ronald Reagan in 1967. Similar laws were quickly passed all over the country, advocated mostly by liberal groups and do-gooders.
The liberal ACLU kept pushing this agenda to get these patients out of mental institutions, and finally resulted in 1975 (coincidentally Reagans' last year as Governor) in the U.S. Supreme Court handing down a decision in O'Connor vs. Donaldson (422 US 563). This Court decision announced a new Constitutional right: The mentally ill could not be forced to stay in such institutions if they were not an actual threat to others. This opened the floodgates and let huge numbers of patients, in various degrees of helplessness, out of the institutions.
When it was discovered that these laws and court decisions had the effect of putting many people who could not, in fact, take care of themselves out on the street, the liberals did a fast 180, hastily forgot about their long, enthusiastic nationwide advocacy and support of the agenda, and invented a completely new accusation: That it was Ronald Reagan alone who had "kicked all those poor people out of their nice, safe hospitals and made them homeless".
From Wikipedia:
The Lanterman–Petris–Short (LPS) Act (Cal. Welf & Inst. Code, sec. 5000 et seq.) concerns the involuntary civil commitment to a mental health institution in the State of California. The act set the precedent for modern mental health commitment procedures in the United States. It was co-authored by California State Assemblyman Frank Lanterman (R) and California State Senators Nicholas C. Petris (D) and Alan Short (D), and signed into law in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan. The Act went into full effect on July 1, 1972. It cited seven articles of intent:
•To end the inappropriate, indefinite, and involuntary commitment of mentally disordered persons, people with developmental disabilities, and persons impaired by chronic alcoholism, and to eliminate legal disabilities;
•To provide prompt evaluation and treatment of persons with serious mental disorders or impaired by chronic alcoholism;
•To guarantee and protect public safety;
•To safeguard individual rights through judicial review;
•To provide individualized treatment, supervision, and placement services by a conservatorship program for gravely disabled persons;
•To encourage the full use of all existing agencies, professional personnel and public funds to accomplish these objectives and to prevent duplication of services and unnecessary expenditures;
•To protect mentally disordered persons and developmentally disabled persons from criminal acts.
The Act in effect ended all hospital commitments by the judiciary system, except in the case of criminal sentencing, e.g., convicted sexual offenders, and those who were "gravely disabled", defined as unable to obtain food, clothing, or housing [Conservatorship of Susan T., 8 Cal. 4th 1005 (1994)]. It did not, however, impede the right of voluntary commitments. It expanded the evaluative power of psychiatrists and created provisions and criteria for holds.
well yeah i think it is different, people are dead in real life.
That's hard for young male** minds to understand.
** Mostly.
On EMT duty we had a saying from observing the injuries sustained by boys from 11 to 25 that they work on what they want to happen without any confirmation from chemistry, biology, or physics. Also, at puberty the mind is placed in a jar on the shelf in a bottle labeled, "WILL CALL" and lots of guys never go back for pickup.
When people stop stating that people love their guns over people then maybe, yet, you did not stand up against .your. buddy.....why is that, why do you agree with him?
A. Good for you.
B. Then stop lumping everyone together.
C. When these mass killers start using butter knives than maybe I'll pretend guns aren't part of the issue.
I was involved in the Navy Yard shooting several years ago.
For that shooter, he was definitely broken inside and everyone apparently knew it. There were so many system failures there.
In hindsight, I believe that shooting could have 100% been prevented if even half the people who had some dealings with him had done what they were supposed to do. It was the culmination of 100 little failures and people not wanting to do anything because it was uncomfortable. The guy was seriously mentally ill, had been since he was a child, had problems in the military that were buried and ignored. Had incidents happen that went unreported. Had coworkers alarmed but feeling powerless to do anything.
Back in the 80s, maybe for good reasons, the ability to handle mentally ill people was taken away from family members and other people involved. If they are adults, you really can't do a damn thing until they commit a crime and even then, it's hard. Many of these people, high schoolers included, need to be in residential treatment with no ability to walk out on their own.
According to Miami Herald , Nicholous Cruz (19) identified as suspect. He is a former JROTC member and used an assault rifle.
Guess Nicky couldn't get a date for Valentine's day.
Disgusting human.
That Instagram was disturbing. Maybe they shouldn't allow pictures of people in masks holding guns or shot up targets captioned with Family Therapy. These guys usually have something disturbing on social media well before they go off like this.
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