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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-16-2018, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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What they switch to won't be as lethal. Shotguns, .22, etc. They are legitimate prices for living in a free society. AR-15s aren't. They're too dangerous.
Shotguns ad .22's could be just as damaging. There are variables.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:30 PM
 
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So, just AR-15's then?
I can deal with that. I will just get an AR 10, CZ Scorpion, Ruger PCC, AK 74, M1A, Ruger 10/22, Sig MCX, Sig MPX, Sig SG3000, UZI, MKE MP5 clone, SKS, etc etc etc.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:31 PM
 
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For sure. Feelz and bubble wrap for Nicky and his arsenal and the heck with the safety of everyone else.

Let me get this straight. He was not expelled for having bullets, but he was expelled for fighting another boy over a girl. That sounds... backwards. Public school system in US needs full overhaul, irrational decisions.
I’m with you. Why not expelled and reported for bullets in his backpack? You hear about kids expelled every day for a 2” Swiss Army knife. No one carries around bullets just cause. They carry them around because they have a gun to put them in. So much idiocy.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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There is a major other world of healing out there and MOST Americans are too lazy to help themselves and go to the doctors who have them popping the "easy" drugs.

What's that MD motto: Physician Do No Harm. what a joke.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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This is precisely why AR-15s should be banned. It is foolish to put our hope that school districts can or will protect kids from murder. They don't have the will and they don't have the ability.

It is also stupid to put faith in panaceas like mental health. All people have some kind of mental issue. Most people can be dangerous under the wrong circumstances. Saying mental health is an alternative to gun control is one of the ways the NRA and its minions take peoples eyes off the ball.

There is no alternative to banning these kinds of weapons.
What does an AR 15 do? What does it Shoot? Why is it so terrifying? They make them in liberal pink too?
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Yup, jokingly people tell each other that all the time, and my argument isn't that everyone is 100% normal, but we are talking legit psychological issues that require medication, treatment, and other means to keep people from hurting themselves or others<>
In a thread about another recent mass murderer, who was on Valium for possibly decades, it was alleged that the wonder drug itself causes paranoia and violence. Another news article reported it was in his dead body's system.
"Who you gonna call?"
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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So we really still don't know if/what he was on. The article has a lot of vague notions of him being medicated. An "in law" of the family "thinks" he was on something and the Washington Post says he went to a mental health facility. I think it's too early too tell.

Additionally, based on the facts that his last remaining parent died in November and was staying with either friends or family, it's very likely he may have stopped taking whatever he might have been on when his mother was parenting him.

Not a drug defender here...but there just really are not enough facts out there yet to know what set him off.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:34 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Based on what I’m reading it sounds like the shooter was/is seriously mentally ill. And no, that’s not a cop out. He hears demons and the cops were called to his house 39 times for a mentally disturbed person.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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Yup, jokingly people tell each other that all the time, and my argument isn't that everyone is 100% normal, but we are talking legit psychological issues that require medication, treatment, and other means to keep people from hurting themselves or others...the people in that bucket do not make up 100% of the population as you suggest. No society should be making laws to cater to the lowest common denominator, we would all be walking around in bubble wrap being spoon fed with someone holding our hands while we crossed the street.
But that's the alternative! It's what some people are proposing: monitoring each other, reporting to police our suspicions of each other. Surveillance 24/7. The Broward sheriff said as much. Neighbor spying on neighbor.

Banning AR-15s is not nearly as disrespectful of our rights as East German type surveillance would be. But we are going that way unless be ban them. (And we might anyway but there's no need to hurry it.)
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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Based on what I’m reading it sounds like the shooter was/is seriously mentally ill. And no, that’s not a cop out. He hears demons and the cops were called to his house 39 times for a mentally disturbed person.
And this is where I stand. These types of calls should have been put on file and due to the nature of the calls, it should have been enough to ban him from purchasing firearms. Yes, maybe, he still would have found a way to get a hold of one, but it would have been harder and 'could' have prevented this mass shooting.
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