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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-17-2018, 05:50 AM
 
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Seems to me if the FBI would have done their job instead of being so focused on trying to take down Trump they may have stopped the shooting. But hey, the left wing is more interested in trying to get Trump instead of the FBI doing their job.
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Everyone saw this punk as a potential problem. Your side won't confront these nut-jobs because of their "rights".
The FBI was given a road map to this punk's mind, but was distracted by the Democrat's now proven fake witch hunt against the President.
Nice job!
^ So now it's 'the government may have stopped the shooting'?

Baffling.
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:50 AM
 
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Gee, I hope the FBI agents that let this happen don't fall out of a helicopter... like the ones responsible for the Boston Marathon Bombing.
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:52 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Gun ownership started out with good intentions, with a need to hunt/provide food, protect family/friends, allow police to maintain law and order, and for sport. There have also always been bad intentions; and since Columbine, mass shootings have become more frequent. We can agree the problem is guns falling into the hands of a deranged psycho with mental illness or someone who is purely evil.

The solution is not easy, but could include a requirement for training/mental evaluation by peers and references, increasing cost of guns and ammo significantly with proceeds going to victims, requiring gun owners to buy insurance, or increasing penalties for illegal possession to 5 yrs. prison minimum.
Sounds like Europe! That would be a NO.
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:54 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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^ So now it's 'the government may have stopped the shooting'?

Baffling.
It seems to be your solution for everything else!
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:57 AM
 
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It`s become normal in the usa. The gun folks look at it as Death By Natural Causes.
Thats sad you think GUN FOLKS... think that way. Very sad..
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:58 AM
 
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NRA was around way before TV... Right Wing, Left wing. You like to stereotype.
Thats why America is divided, we divide and hate within ourselves over things we have no control over. You dislike someone because they voted for Trump, yet, you dont know me or anyone else. You judge.. So sad.
You cant control guns, but thats not what people really want. They want to control PEOPLE. All the left talks of is AR15. Its one of thousands of semi automatics out there. Its not even nearly the most powerful either.
But you want it banned, controlled.
Nope, you just want control. Well control your feelings first.
No, I'm simply using the vernacular frequently used by the FOX news people and friends. They quite often use these terms in order to make certain that their audience is shifted to the "Right" or "Republican" side of thinking.

Most people are followers NOT leaders. Human beings in general want to be led by good leaders. They therefore, essentially want to be controlled. However, they don't want their subservience to be demonstrative.

What we need now are several things put in place.

Like the following perhaps:
(1) Amend the 2nd Amendment.
(2) Severely restrict gun ownership.
(3) Impose heavy fines and long sentences on those caught in the illegal possession of a firearm.
(4) Legally hold responsible the owner of a firearm that is used in any crime. Gun owners need to be aware of their firearm's location at all times.
(5) All firearms need to be kept in a secure location and either locked or disabled while in that location.
(6) Any parent of a child found guilty of a mass shooting should be subject to a criminal investigation themselves.
(7) All mass shooters should be expeditiously executed by a firing squad immediately after trial. No age restrictions. No mental health mitigations.
(8) The NRA should be completely dissolved, placed on the U.S. terrorist list, and considered as an enemy of the state.

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Old 02-17-2018, 05:59 AM
 
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No. The second amendment was put in because we had no standing army at the time and that`s made clear with the wording about a well regulated militia. The founders believed that we should vote out politicians with whom we disagree, not murder them. The National Rampage Association is pulling your chain on that one.
You are very misinformed snyde person. NRA was one of the first organizations to make it legal for all US Citizens to own guns, as they had a right to. But, blacks werent allowed for a long time, for example. And they fought to get them the right.
Nevermind, your mind is made up and ........
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:00 AM
 
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So cars need to go to? They fit your description as well.
I'd like to see a decrease in the use of cars because they are harmful to our environment. And yes, they've caused a lot of deaths. I have no issue with the laws related to the operation or ownership of cars though as most people I know are responsible car owners.
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:01 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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No, I'm simply using the vernacular frequently used by the FOX news people and friends. They quite often use these terms in order to make certain that there audience is shifted to the "Right" or "Republican" side of thinking.

Most people are followers NOT leaders. Human beings in general want to be led by good leaders. They therefore, essentially want to be controlled. However, they don't want their subservience to be exacerbated.

What we need now are several things put in place.

Like the following perhaps:
(1) Amend the 2nd Amendment.
(2) Severely restrict gun ownership.
(3) Impose heavy fines and long sentences on those caught in the illegal possession of a firearm.
(4) Legally hold responsible the owner of a firearm that is used in any crime. Gun owners need to be aware of their firearm's location at all times.
(5) All firearms need to be kept in a secure location and either locked or disabled while in that location.
(6) Any parent of a child found guilty of a mass shooting should be subject to a criminal investigation themselves.
(7) All mass shooters should be expeditiously executed by a firing squad immediately after trial. No age restrictions. No mental health mitigations.
(8) The NRA should be completely dissolved,placed on the U.S. terrorist list, and considered as an enemy of the state.
I'll take #7. The rest you can put up your...........
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:03 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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You are very misinformed snyde person. NRA was one of the first organizations to make it legal for all US Citizens to own guns, as they had a right to. But, blacks werent allowed for a long time, for example. And they fought to get them the right.
Nevermind, your mind is made up and ........
What a post! The NRA made it legal to own firearms? Tell me it ain't so!
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