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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-23-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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So now 4 good guys with guns couldn’t stop a bad guy with a gun. Simply reinforces my opinion of what tough talking gun owners are really made of.
man stopped Texas church shooter fro escaping, besides that a Texas cop with a handgun stopped two men armed with K-47

May 2015 , cop with handgun took down two men armed with AK-47 rifles
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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I think your misplacing the blame here. Maybe blame the shooter instead? The officer who didn't go in right away may have heard shots and knew he needed back up also his adrenaline obviously played a role here, you cannot blame him for what happened.
You can not blame him for what the shooter did but you can blame him for not doing his job. He did not do what he was trained to do.
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:55 PM
 
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Oh quit your virtue signaling. Sheesh....Protect the damn schools, get some competent people to do so. While you're at it, elect a competent Sheriff and staff for Broward County and replace the incompetent douchebags at the FBI too and maybe some of those kid's lives will be saved.
define competent. Better yet who is the authority who will determine competent.
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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did you even read the article. at least "hear" what an expert- has to say- and the writer IS an expert on various types of bullets/ wounds.
oh I read it...and as a weapons expert, I say BS

1. he called it a The high-velocity bullet... which is bull.. the 223 or 5.56 comes out SLOWER than my 45....and its a smaller round

2. the 223/5.56 is a FMJ (full metal jacket, tiny round)...unlike most handguns that run hollow-points which shred inside the body doing much more damage, most of us will use FMJ for target practice, but our service weapons are running hollowpoints

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/hollo...l-jacket-ammo/

http://gals-n-guns.com/all-things-gu...f-defense.html
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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I had a colleague who taught Creative Writing that gave an assignment to write a "scary" story. The kids did. She had one particularly creative kid in the class and his story scared the living **** out of her. So she reported it. Nothing came of it except that poor kid was dragged through the wringer for about a week.
That sounds like a case I just read about again. A kid described a violent crime. It was written well according to the teacher, but it scared the teacher as well. She talked to the student, the parents and on up the food chain. It might not be fair to say that nothing came from that because although nothing happened to the kid for the story, his name was Dylan Klebold and not long later, he and Eric Harris shot up their school.
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Old 02-23-2018, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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You can not blame him for what the shooter did but you can blame him for not doing his job. He did not do what he was trained to do.
War dogs react that way, but then I don't think a dog really understands what that stick the human is holding can do. Thinking that people can be trained to walk into death and expecting perfect compliance is silly
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Old 02-23-2018, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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(and maybe why that officer froze and hid instead of doing his duty, or even being an ADULT)....

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...n-guns/553937/
Actual question and not being snarky. Can one tell the difference between the sound of an AR-15 and a handgun if you're outside and the shooter is inside.

The kid who told Aaron Feis about seeing the gun probably told him the gun wasn't just a handgun. So after getting the student to safety, the unarmed coach still went inside the get kids to safety.
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Old 02-23-2018, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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I think this Sheriff and everyone crying coward should be the ones on the front lines charging a gunman with help 5 minutes away. If that kind of fighting was expected then the society should have paid for a squad of officers able to cover and support the rest of their team
Yet we are expecting teachers to do what the officers wouldn't?
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Old 02-23-2018, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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I think this Sheriff and everyone crying coward should be the ones on the front lines charging a gunman with help 5 minutes away. If that kind of fighting was expected then the society should have paid for a squad of officers able to cover and support the rest of their team

He was outgunned, that's for sure...
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Old 02-23-2018, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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Yet we are expecting teachers to do what the officers wouldn't?
I never did that is one position of the 2nd Amendment crowd. However is someone is cornered do we forbid her the tools to fight back even if she doesn't charge machine gun nest to save others?
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