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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-27-2018, 06:09 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Alek is Jone's evil Russian twin.

Oh, hold it, one can hardly tell the two apart!
You might be right!
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:13 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Actually there are many examples of govt policy and laws changed because the people wanted it
Prohabition and its eventual reversal
Slavery--its outlawing--eventually the Civil Rights legislation to specify equlity/non-discrimination
Women's emancipation and right to vote
Same sex equality and now transgender equality under law is evolving

If current lawmakers wont respond to this awakening of the peoole's desire for better gun legislation then voters can make a change
That is the function and value and saving grace of our Constitution--
Not just the 2nd Amendment
The minute you bring Slavery or right to vote into the conversation everything following it is just blah ba blah blah blah. and nothing to do with the current conversation.

Ya gotta quit spouting the Dem party talking points it's not a good look...
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:19 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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It's NOT the body of the NRA snake that has injected the corrupt, lethal, and most toxic venom into our American souls, it's the head. It's the NRA's destructive admistrative head made manifest via its ILA lobbying arm that kills. That very same arm that has donated millions of dollars to our GOP led congress on behalf of the arms industry.

So the regular NRA body-member is most likely ignorant concerning the true machinations of the NRA and most are probably just following the ole family tradition just like I was doing until I discovered what they were really doing. I had no idea exactly what lobbying really entailed.

Therefore, they get a free pass!
So in the end you don't like their politics and that's fine. I don't like the lawyers lobby,AARP lobby,the insurance lobby,healthcare lobby the alcohol lobby, the tobacco lobby etc. The last two have killed more people in the U.S. than any gun has killed innocents.

If one is to be honest and not an ideologue one would push for removing ALL lobby money from the system and not just cherry pick...
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:22 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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We already have far too many guns on the streets (in the public). The only thing we can do at this point is cut the legs off the NRA, invoke certain weapon bans, as well as post armed security guards, and LE officers at entry, exit, and key perimeter locations. Of course, electronic surveillance will be absolutely imperative.

We will also need key security checkpoints located on and adjacent to all secondary public schools, all major universities, all county, state, and federal installations.

Also, variable and mobile checkpoints should also be established in and around all major urban centers, workplaces, and industrial installations.

Our primary focus should be on the construction of secure barriers impervious to terror.

The NRA and the various arms industries should be legally held responsible for all security costs.
Now you're just trolling...
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Actually there are many examples of govt policy and laws changed because the people wanted it
Prohabition and its eventual reversal
Slavery--its outlawing--eventually the Civil Rights legislation to specify equlity/non-discrimination
Women's emancipation and right to vote
Same sex equality and now transgender equality under law is evolving

If current lawmakers wont respond to this awakening of the peoole's desire for better gun legislation then voters can make a change
That is the function and value and saving grace of our Constitution--
Not just the 2nd Amendment
well let's look at some examples

slavery.... was against the constitution and bill of rights... all created equal.... so was it the will of people...not really... it was the will of people to keep it for the first 80ish years

prohibition ... the will of the people and the democrat party had it outlawed... (and cannabis in 1937 ).... commerce is what brought it back...against the will of the democrat party

Women's emancipation and right to vote.... never should have been an issue...but unfortunately in the 1700s women were not educated......

Same sex equality under law is evolving... in Cali the will of the people was NOT to have same sex marriage..in cali no less...... it was the COURTS that reversed the will of the people



the ONLY way to ban guns..is to abolish the 2nd amendment.... and you would also have to abolish the 4th amendment for the authorities to search and seize all the guns...... and that would take a convention of states....and would start a new revolutionary war


the fascist liberals want to take the guns.....why..... POWER
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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We already have far too many guns on the streets (in the public). The only thing we can do at this point is cut the legs off the NRA, invoke certain weapon bans, as well as post armed security guards, and LE officers at entry, exit, and key perimeter locations. Of course, electronic surveillance will be absolutely imperative.

We will also need key security checkpoints located on and adjacent to all secondary public schools, all major universities, all county, state, and federal installations.

Also, variable and mobile checkpoints should also be established in and around all major urban centers, workplaces, and industrial installations.

Our primary focus should be on the construction of secure barriers impervious to terror.

The NRA and the various arms industries should be legally held responsible for all security costs.
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too many guns on the streets
and the only way for the power hungry fascist liberals to ban guns... a constitutional convention of states to abolish the 2nd amendment...and the 4th amendment so they can search and seize the weapons.....wont happen

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invoke certain weapon bans
cant do that constitutionally....
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So in the end you don't like their politics and that's fine. I don't like the lawyers lobby,AARP lobby,the insurance lobby,healthcare lobby the alcohol lobby, the tobacco lobby etc. The last two have killed more people in the U.S. than any gun has killed innocents.

If one is to be honest and not an ideologue one would push for removing ALL lobby money from the system and not just cherry pick...
yep biggest lobbyists in America

unions
AMA
AHA
AARP


the NRA is small potatoes compared to those
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Old 02-27-2018, 07:12 PM
 
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and the only way for the power hungry fascist liberals to ban guns... a constitutional convention of states to abolish the 2nd amendment...and the 4th amendment so they can search and seize the weapons.....wont happen

cant do that constitutionally....



Of course certain firearms can be banned. Go try and buy a full automatic legally. Let us know how you make out with that.

BTW, you still haven't told us if you know the difference between a rim fire or center fire cartridge. I thought you were an "Expert"?
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Old 02-27-2018, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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yep biggest lobbyists in America

unions
AMA
AHA
AARP


the NRA is small potatoes compared to those
Post is utter nonsense Here are the first few lobbyists...

U.S. Chamber of Commerce $103,950,000 $84,730,000 1
National Association of Realtors $64,821,111 $37,788,407 2
Blue Cross Blue Shield $25,006,109 $23,702,049 3
American Hospital Association $20,970,809 $20,687,935 7
Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America $19,730,000 $18,920,000 9
American Medical Association $19,410,000 $21,930,000 4

Not a union or any of your list except the AMA in the top 50.

So is the AMA a union?
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:12 PM
 
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So in the end you don't like their politics and that's fine. I don't like the lawyers lobby,AARP lobby,the insurance lobby,healthcare lobby the alcohol lobby, the tobacco lobby etc. The last two have killed more people in the U.S. than any gun has killed innocents.

If one is to be honest and not an ideologue one would push for removing ALL lobby money from the system and not just cherry pick...
It has nothing to do with politics. The NRA doesn't give a rat's heinie about politics! The NRA only cares about one thing and one thing only____PROFIT!

Profit for the arms industry is ihe only NRA concern. The whole thing is like some kinda large organized prostitution ring or something.

It's like the NRA is the pimp and the GOP congressmen are the prostitutes. The GOP congressmen sell themselves for the advantage of the puppet pimp who's being continually controlled by the puppeteer arms industry.

If the Johns (the public) ever become upset or irate due to unsatisfactory service, they can only castigate or demonize the puppet, and never the puppeteer controlling the strings.

That's the way to avoid boycotts and lawsuits! Nobody can blame Smith & Wesson, Colt, Sturm Ruger, or ArmaLite. They're all neatly tucked behind the large Paper-Pinata-Puppet Pimp called, the NRA.

It's high time to bust the Pimp Pinata!

BTW

And you're right!

They should eliminate all legalized forms of bribery called, lobbying....

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