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Old 02-15-2018, 06:06 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by MPowering1 View Post
Some of you folks should lighten up. The title of the article was:

New York Judge Awards $6.7 Million To 21 Graffiti Artists For Destroyed Murals

The OP was simply copying the language used in the title.
if OP read his own link he would have/SHOULD have known the artists were not vandals!
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:06 AM
 
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THEY do not know and ASSUME too much..I would be willing to bet
Absolutely incredible the amount of intellectual dishonesty some people are so proud to show off

"Those people who are reading what was reported are assuming way too much. Here, let me pull something completely out of my ass."
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:07 AM
 
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That is not relevant to anything.

Oh, it absolutely is. IF the painters had simply defaced someone else's property, without permission, then the owner can correct the problem any way they choose. However, if the property owner gives permission to outside "contractors" to paint artwork on his building, he has entered into a binding contract with them, as evidenced by the court ruling. If he removes or destroys that art without notifying them and getting their permission, he has violated that contract, even though it was a verbal contract.


Take a few law courses and you will understand contract law. An agreement can be written on a piece of toilet paper, or even verbal, and it becomes binding. He agreed to let them "improve" his property by them painting it, and then he destroyed that artwork.
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:11 AM
 
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The owner gave them permission to paint there. There were given no warning that he was painting over the works, so they had no chance to remove them or photograph them. That seems to be where the case comes from.
"There were given no warning that he was painting over the works,"

Why should they have to be?

It is NOT thier building and the owner is FREE to do with property as he pleases.

I'd bet this is appealed and overturned as it should be.
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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if OP read his own link he would have/SHOULD have known the artists were not vandals!
And if the Journalist and Editor had read their own article they SHOULD have known the artists were not vandals!

The only people who look bad here are those of you who are nitpicking.
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:12 AM
 
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"There were given no warning that he was painting over the works,"

Why should they have to be?

It is NOT thier building and the owner is FREE to do with property as he pleases.

I'd bet this is appealed and overturned as it should be.
Most definitely -- no doubt this is some crazy stuff -- but definitely they weren't vandals...they were given permission to create these murals and the owner himself enjoyed the artwork until he needed to make use of his investment.
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:13 AM
 
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Oh, it absolutely is. IF the painters had simply defaced someone else's property, without permission, then the owner can correct the problem any way they choose. However, if the property owner gives permission to outside "contractors" to paint artwork on his building, he has entered into a binding contract with them, as evidenced by the court ruling. If he removes or destroys that art without notifying them and getting their permission, he has violated that contract, even though it was a verbal contract.


Take a few law courses and you will understand contract law. An agreement can be written on a piece of toilet paper, or even verbal, and it becomes binding.
According to Wolkoff he didn't tell them they had any rights to it, merely that he didn't mind them doing graffiti on it as he was planning to tear it down anyways.

They knew he was tearing it down when they got permission to grafitti...they didn't own anything, this is a bad law...they get 6.7 million dollars because a guy tore down his own building when he told them in advance it was coming down.


Also, the law doesn't appear to need permission from the owner as long as it is accepted art of some community value and duration. Bad law.
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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ONLY Leftists would agree with this nutty judge. Mental illness is spreading like wildfire amongst those circles.
Actually, it's a law that has been passed, so the judge was simply making a ruling based on law.

I put a link to the law in an earlier post.
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:14 AM
 
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Some of you folks should lighten up. The title of the article was:

New York Judge Awards $6.7 Million To 21 Graffiti Artists For Destroyed Murals

The OP was simply copying the language used in the title.
You need to lighten up -- of course we know that the OP knew they weren't vandals, it was just a great opportunity to go after the OP and we did.

Lighten up DUDE.
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:15 AM
 
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"There were given no warning that he was painting over the works,"

Why should they have to be?

It is NOT thier building and the owner is FREE to do with property as he pleases.

I'd bet this is appealed and overturned as it should be.
It is their artwork.

It's not entirely different, nor entirely the same (this is where I lose 90% of the posters in this forum since they can't deal with nuance), than a gallery. If a piece of artwork is displayed in a gallery, the gallery can't destroy the artwork and say "well, it was on my wall"
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