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Old 02-19-2018, 05:40 PM
 
Location: United States
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considerably more then 2.5 million was invested. 13 people in the US that we know of, a data center, and entire HR and finance departments, and who knows how many total employees.
How do you know more was invested?

What is you source for that?

We don't even know if anything in Mueller's indictment is even real, and we'll never know, because these Russian will never face a trial.
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Old 02-19-2018, 05:51 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The Russian troll farm that Mueller indicted had a $1.25 million/month budget.

Russian troll farm indicted by Mueller had multi-million dollar budget - BI

That was just one social media operation.

In addition to the social media disinformation campaigns, there was the hacking of the 20 states' voter data bases, the hacking of the the various servers, ...

It all adds up.

And it had been going on since 2014.
and 3/4 of it, all spent after Trump was elected.
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:01 PM
 
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How do you know more was invested?

What is you source for that?

We don't even know if anything in Mueller's indictment is even real, and we'll never know, because these Russian will never face a trial.
Because the server farm would cost more, the source is both the Danish hacks of them thats been reported, and the indictment that has details, and mentions their finance dept.

If you think that Muellers indictment is made up, there really is no hope for you. Let me know so I can simply put you on ignore, as nothing you say reflects any connection to reality. MULTIPLE Trump administration folks have backed up Mueller on this at this point. McMaster made it 100% clear, and even Trump backed him up.

So lets try and discuss reality shall we? Because even Trump at this point doesn't try such nonsense.
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:14 PM
 
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Because the server farm would cost more, the source is both the Danish hacks of them thats been reported, and the indictment that has details, and mentions their finance dept.

If you think that Muellers indictment is made up, there really is no hope for you. Let me know so I can simply put you on ignore, as nothing you say reflects any connection to reality. MULTIPLE Trump administration folks have backed up Mueller on this at this point. McMaster made it 100% clear, and even Trump backed him up.

So lets try and discuss reality shall we? Because even Trump at this point doesn't try such nonsense.
Let's argue for a second that it all made a difference and cheating led to Trump's win.

It would be kinda hard for Hillary to complain as she did the same thing.
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:27 PM
 
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Let's argue for a second that it all made a difference and cheating led to Trump's win.

It would be kinda hard for Hillary to complain as she did the same thing.
False equivalency of the year. The magnitude of this Russian propaganda war on US democracy is unprecedented and appalling. Almost unbelievable in its scale. Russia has declared an all-out cyber war on US democracy and we have a president who denies it instead of protecting us.

Please read what Thomas Freidman has to say about it. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/o...etType=opinion
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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Let's argue for a second that it all made a difference and cheating led to Trump's win.

It would be kinda hard for Hillary to complain as she did the same thing.
Kdog kinda said it well, but lets add a few things.

Hillary had the support of Russia? Wow! who knew! Cause the recent indictments made it pretty plain that the Russians weren't supporting her AT ALL.

Additionally. We had the vote-Hillary lost. That is done. No votes are known to have been changed illegally.

Now...the voters may have changed their minds based upon Russian influence, and Russia probably influenced enough that Clinton would have otherwise won. And that makes ZERO difference to who is president. Its Trump. So lets talk about him rather then someone irrelevant like Clinton. OK?
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:43 PM
 
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False equivalency of the year. The magnitude of this Russian propaganda war on US democracy is unprecedented and appalling. Almost unbelievable in its scale. Russia has declared an all-out cyber war on US democracy and we have a president who denies it instead of protecting us.

Please read what Thomas Freidman has to say about it. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/o...etType=opinion
He has not denied it and the cyberwar was ongoing throughout the Obama years. This is not new and it has been widely known about and openly discussed for years now.

Why didn't Obama take this problem on? It certainly was not because he was not aware of it.
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:47 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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considerably more then 2.5 million was invested. 13 people in the US that we know of, a data center, and entire HR and finance departments, and who knows how many total employees.
Not according to released information. Do you have others that say it was more or is that just your "facts"?
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:49 PM
 
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He has not denied it and the cyberwar was ongoing throughout the Obama years. This is not new and it has been widely known about and openly discussed for years now.

Why didn't Obama take this problem on? It certainly was not because he was not aware of it.
Thats because when he attempted to McConnell shot him down and threatened that if he attempted it he would accuse Obama of trying to rig the election.

And Obama DID do some things, including expelling people and seizing Russian properties-the Trump has repeatedly tried to return.
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:49 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Because the server farm would cost more, the source is both the Danish hacks of them thats been reported, and the indictment that has details, and mentions their finance dept.

If you think that Muellers indictment is made up, there really is no hope for you. Let me know so I can simply put you on ignore, as nothing you say reflects any connection to reality. MULTIPLE Trump administration folks have backed up Mueller on this at this point. McMaster made it 100% clear, and even Trump backed him up.

So lets try and discuss reality shall we? Because even Trump at this point doesn't try such nonsense.
So, it's your PFTA "facts", not actual reputable verifiable sources. If I'm wrong, put 'em up...
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