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No, you can't blame this on antidepressants that have been around since the 50's.
Nor guns that have been around for hundreds of years. Or "assault weapons" that have been around for over 100 years.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
Millions in this country take SSRI's and they don't go out and kill. So you really can't blame it on that.
80 million people own firearms and don't go out and kill. You really can't blame it on guns.
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Originally Posted by London Girl
Could it also be true that the type of weapons apparently so easily available to the likes of Adam Lanza and Cruz today were less readily available to people back in the 1950’s?
In the 1950s, anyone could order any firearm they wanted mail order. Have it shipped direct to their house. With no background check. Including "assault weapons". And what are now called "destructive devices". Machine guns could be purchased will little more difficulty. And the rate of gun ownership was higher in the 1950s. So, no.
Have not come across anything to suggest or confirm this shooter was prescribed mood altering medications prior to the shooting and his arrest.
He had a brief history of alcohol abuse and cocain usage which he quit years before his rampage He was considered a " pot head" by people who knew him. Most people who use marijuana do not become mass shooters.
That's interesting and the first I had heard that. A person that uses marijuana can not legally purchase a firearm. To do so is a federal felony. One more failed gun law?
Did taking these drugs cause them to start shooting? Probably not.
Did taking these drugs, and then going off them when their treatment wasn't finished, cause a huge crash that drove them into the depths and caused them to start shooting? Much more likely.
So, maybe it should be harder for people on Prozac and Valium to buy weapons.
They are such incredibly different drugs. Valium reacts as soon as it hits the bloodstream. It's a benzodiazepine and treats anxiety. It's close cousin, Xanax ( incredibly addictive ) has been described as booze in a pill.
Prozac and SSRI's take up to six weeks to take effect. There is no potential for abuse. Serotonin is the little messenger in your brain, and those with a chemical deficiency of it are helped by an SSRI. Common side effects include dry mouth and decreased interest in sex.
Ritalin is an amphetamine. In kids with ADHD, for whatever reason, it has the opposite effect. You and I would be bouncing off the walls on it, but kids with ADHD just seem to level out. It's strictly controlled. More so than opioids because of the potential for the parents to abuse it. ( sad )
Opioids are a whole different kettle of fish. Lumping all these drugs together as " mind altering drugs " is like comparing scuba diving to taking a bath. You're in water, right?
These killers were all weirdos. People knew. Parents knew. Doctors knew. That's why they were prescribed various medications.
Have not come across anything to suggest or confirm this shooter was prescribed mood altering medications prior to the shooting and his arrest.
He had a brief history of alcohol abuse and cocain usage which he quit years before his rampage He was considered a " pot head" by people who knew him. Most people who use marijuana do not become mass shooters.
He was prescribed medication in the past but not sure if he was taking it at the time of the attack.
If you listen to all the advertisements for drugs in tv commercials, it is astounding how many have a side effect of aggression, anger, suicidal tendencies, etc. Add to that mental health issues and not surprising some people react w/ violence.
He was prescribed medication in the past but not sure if he was taking it at the time of the attack.
If you listen to all the advertisements for drugs in tv commercials, it is astounding how many have a side effect of aggression, anger, suicidal tendencies, etc. Add to that mental health issues and not surprising some people react w/ violence.
The thing that most people don't know about those disclaimers is that they have to report any symptom experienced by anyone in the test group, even if it is unrelated to the drug itself. The person may have had the silly straw chromosome long before the meds, which led to taking the meds in the first place.
Drug companies shouldn't be allowed to market directly to patients anyway.
Have not come across anything to suggest or confirm this shooter was prescribed mood altering medications prior to the shooting and his arrest.
He had a brief history of alcohol abuse and cocain usage which he quit years before his rampage He was considered a " pot head" by people who knew him. Most people who use marijuana do not become mass shooters.
Did you read the link? He wasn't prescribed anything.
Kylie Smith, who knew Loughner since he was four years old, told Time Magazine that Loughner frequently used drugs and alcohol, beginning in high school. When Loughner dropped out of high school, they lost touch. When they reconnected at a party in 2008, he was a changed man. “He seemed out of it, like he was somewhere else,” she told the magazine. “I could tell he wasn’t just drunk, and he wasn’t just high.”
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“He got involved with marijuana, and he was really into psychedelics — hard drugs like mushrooms, acid — probably at the end of his junior year,” Smith told Time. She remembered one instance in 2006 when he stopped going to school because he got alcohol poisoning. “I don’t know if he was partying or if he was drinking by himself — I just remember one day he wasn’t at school, and I never saw him again in high school,” she said.
Could it also be true that the type of weapons apparently so easily available to the likes of Adam Lanza and Cruz today were less readily available to people back in the 1950’s?
The AR15 has been in circulation to the American public since 1963.
Full auto until May 19, 1986.
Nor guns that have been around for hundreds of years. Or "assault weapons" that have been around for over 100 years.
80 million people own firearms and don't go out and kill. You really can't blame it on guns.
In the 1950s, anyone could order any firearm they wanted mail order. Have it shipped direct to their house. With no background check. Including "assault weapons". And what are now called "destructive devices". Machine guns could be purchased will little more difficulty. And the rate of gun ownership was higher in the 1950s. So, no.
We didn't have easy access to assault weapons in the 1950's, we didn't have near the fire power that is available today, we didn't have on average one gun for every individual.
No one blames it all on guns, certainly mental illness is part of the problem but as has been stated other countries also have mental illness but not the gun culture that we have in the US. When a 18 year old like this can acquire an AR-15 with ease we certainly have an issue.
Threads like this blaming drug use is just a diversion, another thread blamed the first amendment, anything but guns.
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