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Having worked in multiple psychiatric hospitals and psychiatric units in many states, I can tell you that it is a well known possibility that as a depressed individual begins to ascend from a very deep state of depression and begins to become somewhat less depressed and becomes more active, there is a not unheard of possibility that a person could decide to actually act on his suicidal thoughts instead of just being to depressed to do anything. Murder is not out of the question either.
Besides that the previously mentioned SSRI's do on occasion cause a somewhat manic and delusional condition and we have seen the results of that.
Did taking these drugs cause them to start shooting? Probably not.
Did taking these drugs, and then going off them when their treatment wasn't finished, cause a huge crash that drove them into the depths and caused them to start shooting? Much more likely.
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
No one blames it all on guns, certainly mental illness is part of the problem...
This infers that the mentally ill are the mass shooters and that is not true. One thing most mass shooters have in common is a police record. They've been arrested before for something. Another common issue with mass shooters are that they are unable to control their anger or rage. Put simply, they are violent before they go on a shooting spree. Most mentally ill people are non-violent. Some are timid. Most prefer isolation.
That's interesting and the first I had heard that. A person that uses marijuana can not legally purchase a firearm. To do so is a federal felony. One more failed gun law?
As you know, one does not need to take a drug test to buy a firearm.
How many of the mass shooters we've seen in the last 30-plus years, were on drugs that were supposed to calm them, make them happy, etc?
Apparently a lot of them were. And some of the manufacturers say that occasionally those drugs can produce "mania", a dangerous tendency to commit violence, harm others etc.
Could this have had some effect on Adam Lanza, Nikolas Cruz and others?
He [shooter Nikolas Cruz] and his brother were adopted when they were young by Lynda and Roger Cruz, of Long Island, New York, according to relatives. They raised the boys in Parkland.
Roger Cruz died over a decade ago and Lynda struggled with the boys, said Barbara Kumbatovich, a former sister-in-law. “She did the best she could. They were adopted and had some emotional issues,” she said.
Kumbatovich said she believed Nikolas Cruz was on medication to deal with his emotional fragility. “She was struggling with Nikolas the last couple years,” she said.
I think a majority of general population is on some sort of prescribed psychiatric drug. No?
He was prescribed medication in the past but not sure if he was taking it at the time of the attack.
If you listen to all the advertisements for drugs in tv commercials, it is astounding how many have a side effect of aggression, anger, suicidal tendencies, etc. Add to that mental health issues and not surprising some people react w/ violence.
JAMA did a study about 12 years old and concluded that patients who ask for a specific medication had a statistically significant greater liklihood of getting the desired script compared to patients with similar symptioms who left their doctor's office without a script.
Power of direct consumer marketing, the cost of which is baked into every pill, is a powerful tool.
Did you read the link? He wasn't prescribed anything.
Kylie Smith, who knew Loughner since he was four years old, told Time Magazine that Loughner frequently used drugs and alcohol, beginning in high school. When Loughner dropped out of high school, they lost touch. When they reconnected at a party in 2008, he was a changed man. “He seemed out of it, like he was somewhere else,” she told the magazine. “I could tell he wasn’t just drunk, and he wasn’t just high.”
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“He got involved with marijuana, and he was really into psychedelics — hard drugs like mushrooms, acid — probably at the end of his junior year,” Smith told Time. She remembered one instance in 2006 when he stopped going to school because he got alcohol poisoning. “I don’t know if he was partying or if he was drinking by himself — I just remember one day he wasn’t at school, and I never saw him again in high school,” she said.
Someone, somewhere, in the US is planning to challenge Stephen Paddock's ( Las Vegas) !record.
This is the only post in the thread that seems to 'get it'.
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