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Old 02-16-2018, 06:42 PM
 
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Monday morning quarterbacking is pretty simple.
I don't think expecting the FBI to do its primary job is Monday morning quarterbacking.
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:48 PM
 
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If our government knew about these dangers yet ignored them, why should we expect more gun control laws to work? Also, we should be wondering if the FBi is so busy trying to get rid of Trump in their little coup to stop shootings from happening.



It is always easy to be a Monday morning armchair quarterback. If you have any suggestions they would be very happy to hear some of them.
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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If our government knew about these dangers yet ignored them, why should we expect more gun control laws to work? Also, we should be wondering if the FBi is so busy trying to get rid of Trump in their little coup to stop shootings from happening.
No, they knew about the latest one,big difference.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:15 PM
 
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It is always easy to be a Monday morning armchair quarterback. If you have any suggestions they would be very happy to hear some of them.
Deputies called to suspected shooter’s home 39 times over seven years

https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/deputi...r-seven-years/

There is nothing Monday morning about this.

FBI admits it didn’t investigate tip on alleged school shooter last month

https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/fbi-fa...er-last-month/
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:28 PM
 
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The entire nature of our justice system is largely reactive rather than proactive. And about punishment more than reform.
The basis of a humans life is formed in the first 6-7 years. The amount of damaged Americans is almost incalculable, but is certainly vastly larger than the resources that would be available to "fix" or reform them.

To reform people who have yet to commit a crime - would require a complete revolution in our culture from being centered on money, greed and power (corporations, politics) to being actually For the People and the Planet.

That is not going to happen....at least not in most areas of the USA. So prepare yourself for more. We have various "wars" in this country which probably take 100,000+ lives per year (motor vehicle, firearms, opiates, pollution, lack of medical care).......

If we were losing 100K soldiers a year in our adventure overseas, you'd see some public complaints....or even more. Look at Vietnam or Iraq with the relatively low body counts! Yet we shrug when little children or innocent teens or partiers or movie watchers are gunned down in bulk. We generally shrug when drunk drivers kill 10's of thousands and we certainly don't want to stop the profits being made by the opiate pharma firms....unless we can spread around more money for the "cures"...

Our "Justice" system simply follow our economic and social basis, which is money...money...and then more money. Unbridled Capitalism will sell you the rope to hang yourself with or the AR to kill a bunch of schoolchildren with. It will even give you quantity discounts on the ammo that rips them to shreds inside and out.

That is our country now.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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They knew about several other of the shootings too.
Did they have grounds to arrest him. The local LE had 10 calls on him and they had never arrested him. I read through the reports and he certainly had problems but I bet he’s in good company.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I wonder why the ball got dropped when the tip came in on January 5th to the FBI's general call line? Granted thousands of calls come into the tip line every day. The tip is supposed to be researched through basic database checks on the person and then passed off to agents in the field if deemed necessary. Even more disturbing is the tip about a school shooter on YouTube given to the FBI from a Mississippi bail bondsman who passed on the video last September. The FBI couldn't identify Cruz at the time. If this information had been placed in a data base maybe the two tips could have been connected? I think local law enforcement hold some of the blame. Twenty calls at the house where Cruz lived with friends who allowed him to keep an assault rifle? Why? The FBI dropped the ball and the supervisor who cleared the initial tip should be fired for not passing on the tip to a field agent. The people who took Cruz in after his mother died and allowed him to keep an assault rifle in their home need to be held accountable. The local police who did nothing after Cruz started shooting the neighbors chickens need to be held accountable. Why weren't his guns taken away then?
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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What federal crime was broken? Beyond informing the local Sheriff what was the FBI supposed to do?
search warrant
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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search warrant
For what federal crime? People calling saying we have a crazy dude is a local matter
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