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Old 02-21-2018, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I'm sick of conservatives argument that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Yes, of course people kill people. But the problem is, people have access to not just ordinary guns, but high powered assault weapons. Conservatives also want to cut funding for mental illness. That, combined with a love and worship of guns, is going to create more mass shootings.
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Old 02-21-2018, 10:54 PM
 
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Did anyone mention we already had an assault weapons ban from 1994-2004? Research showed there was no discernible difference in death rates. Interesting, huh?
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Old 02-22-2018, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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There's nothing mystical about these assault weapons other than they tend to have 30 round magazine capacities versus a 9MM handgun which can hold 18 rounds.

A 9MM handgun is much easier to conceal so I don't see how banning the AR-15 which is nothing more than a scary looking hunting rifle is going to accomplish anything.

These shooters will just use a 9MM handgun then, which makes sense as they are much easier to conceal. This is just a stepping stone towards more gun control. Once the "assault weapons" people get their way, they'll target 9MM handguns next.

Given proper practice, anyone can be as proficient with a 9MM as with an AR-15, perhaps even moreso.

Any legislation passed should deal more with requiring a license and training rather than banning certain guns. We should have I believe a more robust training process to get a conceal carry permit, with a class that spans multiple days and includes 100 rounds of live fire training. That will weed out the low hanging fruit who won't bother wasting their time to get the permits. You could even have higher levels of permit access for people over the age of 30 with no criminal record, these people could be trusted to carry guns in "gun free zones" and make things safer. We already don't allow felons to own guns which in and of itself is a pretty big step, a step a lot of judges in big cities ignore and simply let the perp back out on the street.

Democrats universally don't ever want to propose more gun education or training though, because that takes away from their "mysteriousness" and makes people stop fearing them, destroying their agenda to ultimately ban them, so I don't expect useful legislation to make it anywhere.

This is one of them cases where people fear what they don't understand. Introduce a liberal to guns and they often take a liking to them after awhile. Of course the left wants people to have as little contact with guns as possible because ignorance is a powerful tool.

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Old 02-22-2018, 05:56 AM
 
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Funny, Leftists want lobbyists and big donors out of politics only until they use their bribe power for their agenda then all of a sudden it's a good thing. This guy can donate to the Dems or just go away.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:57 AM
 
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Good.
I'm sick of conservatives argument that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Yes, of course people kill people. But the problem is, people have access to not just ordinary guns, but high powered assault weapons. Conservatives also want to cut funding for mental illness. That, combined with a love and worship of guns, is going to create more mass shootings.
an AR15 is not a high powered assault rifle. It's not even a high powered hunting rifle. It's a jazzed up .22. Learn what you speak of before speaking.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:02 AM
 
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Good riddance. Get that corrupt money out of politics.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:07 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Are you still operating under the false assumption that Trump didn't get BIG money from doners? Check your facts friend.

He took a got a shyte ton of money from the NRA alone.
And I wrote the checks to the NRA. We all are sickened by the shootings but am also sickened by the Left's posturing.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:16 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Good.
I'm sick of conservatives argument that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Yes, of course people kill people. But the problem is, people have access to not just ordinary guns, but high powered assault weapons. Conservatives also want to cut funding for mental illness. That, combined with a love and worship of guns, is going to create more mass shootings.
Wait. I thought you were just concerned with the ARs, and 90% of ARs are .223.

Now you want to ban high-powered rifles? Please give us the calibers you want banned.

Do you even know what you're talking about?
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:20 AM
 
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More importantly, how many crimes have you stopped with your automatic AR-15 type assault weapon ? Guys just think they have to have these machine guns because this is 'Merica, and it makes them feel like a real man ! That is the reality of the situation, not the one you portray.
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Machine guns, any other automatic weapon, and/or any associated repair/replacement parts thereof made after 1986 are banned under the 1986 update to National Firearms Act of 1934. In order to purchase a pre-1986 automatic weapon, the buyer must jump through about a year's worth of hoops like fingerprinting, registration with the FBI and ATF, several background checks, bunch of fees, etc. Once they do all that, they can spend anywhere from $20k-100k depending on the weapon or part.

People like you can keep saying "automatic" and "machine gun" and people like me who are not ignorant about firearms will keep correcting you.

Have a nice day.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:39 AM
 
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Did anyone mention we already had an assault weapons ban from 1994-2004? Research showed there was no discernible difference in death rates. Interesting, huh?
Columbine happened during the ban. The primary weapon/caliber used was 9mm pistol.
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