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Pro 2nd amendment here and don't see a logical reason for a 30 round clip AR-15, limit the capacity. Democrats could of done this in 09-10
Did you just say clip? Look, many States have already done this and, guess what? Criminals DON'T CARE!! There are so many STANDARD cap mags out there you'll never get rid of them. They were freakin issued in Nam and Korea like candy. The good ones too, all aluminum not the plastic ones that go through a metal detector so easy. All the vets brought back in force cause they could. Banning them is just dumb, dumb and dumb.
The first steps should be that our politicians begin to look at what weapons are reasonable and what weapons do not need to be in the hands of a) People with mental issues, and B) Everyday citizens who have no reason to possess automatic weapons and magazines that hold too many rounds of ammo.
When even our swat teams need to wait to take down a shooter because he is more armed than they are, that tells you something. No one is against rifles or shotguns for hunting, or pistols to defend your home. But assault weapons have no purpose being in the hands of people outside of law enforcement or our military..........none.
Who will define reasonable? People who have no idea about weapons in the first place? That is how we got the last ban.
Everyday citizens do not possess automatic weapons. The process is more lengthy, costly, and personally invasive. Not worth the trouble for me.
But a Muslim ban, a real one, would have prevented 9/11, Boston Marathon bombing, Fort Hood Massacre, San Berdoo, Pulse, and many other muslim murders.
All without infringing the constitutional rights of any US citizen.
Yeah really. Banning sanctuary cities would've likely prevented Kate Steinle's killing. But what did liberals do? Let the killer walk, double down on sanctuary city polices, demand amnesty for illegals and oh yeah demand more gun control.
The first steps should be that our politicians begin to look at what weapons are reasonable and what weapons do not need to be in the hands of a) People with mental issues, and B) Everyday citizens who have no reason to possess automatic weapons and magazines that hold too many rounds of ammo.
When even our swat teams need to wait to take down a shooter because he is more armed than they are, that tells you something. No one is against rifles or shotguns for hunting, or pistols to defend your home. But assault weapons have no purpose being in the hands of people outside of law enforcement or our military..........none.
once again you are looking at the problem from the wrong end. you HAVE to start with the person doing the shooting. if he kills himself, do a forensic background on him, and find out what made him go off like he did. and then learn from that. we didnt have these problems when we were young now did we? why is that?
we didnt have participation trophies, and we were not drugged into a stupor in school with what ever drug some head doctor said we needed to take when we were six, and we had two parents that taught us right from wrong, and how to grow up and deal with life as it came.
we also didnt have first person shooter games that we played mindlessly for hours on end, and we had teachers that pushed us to do our best in school, and parents that did the same at home. and we had a drug problem when we were younger, we were drug to school, drug to church, drug to the store, drug to family events, in fact we were drug around by our parents where ever they wanted to go. if we wanted something, and our parents didnt want to get it for us, and we threw a temper tantrum, they just todl us get off the floor and get over it. they didnt coddle us and give us everything we wanted.
and we had real friends as well, we played baseball and football, and basketball. and we payed those games for hours. and if we got in trouble at school we got our butts whipped, and when we got home we got our butts whipped again.
and back then life wasnt cheap. abortions were rare, teenage pregnancy was taboo, you couldnt show someone shooting a gun on TV, and rarely in the movies. and you couldnt show a gun being fired at someone in the same frame, they had to be separate. you couldnt show the end result of someone being shot either, no blood on the streets or the clothing.
today life is cheap. we have abortion on demand, we have a war on christianity and the church such that we have virtually removed god from our daily lives. most people if they think about god, they do it on sunday, or even on a few holidays during the year. and when someone does admit to believing in god, they are regularly ridiculed for believing in a sky daddy, or a ghost, or what ever. these days we call the good evil and the evil good.
and then we wonder why some deranged person shoots up a school? and not only that but we blame the weapon used instead of the person wielding the weapon? instead we say the person wielding the weapon is sick and needs help. sorry no he doesnt, he is evil and needs to be executed in the most foul manner possible, and it needs to be done publicly. and we need to tell others, this is what will happen to you if you commit these types of heinous crimes.
^^ The two strategies don't necessarily contradict each other. I agree with much of what you both of you are saying. I'm not sure about the last couple of sentences, because even if the evil killer has to be fatally wounded to protect the public, that shouldn't be celebrated. It's still a tragedy that the person's life got so far off track that they had to be taken out to protect public safety.
BTW, not to veer off topic, but in response to the above, actually abortions are way down from the 1970's to 1990's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aborti..._United_States We still have too many, but they are more rare today than decades ago.
The tide of public opinion may finally be turning. Americans are getting tired of burying their children. Even one of the big GOP doners sees the writing on the wall.
"The People" have always been for sensible gun control. It is the craven politicians who are finally turning.
the problem is not the tool, but the nutjobs that use them.....when will we address the real issue.... mental illness
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Look, many States have already done this and, guess what? Criminals DON'T CARE!! There are so many STANDARD cap mags out there you'll never get rid of them. They were freakin issued in Nam and Korea like candy. The good ones too, all aluminum not the plastic ones that go through a metal detector so easy. All the vets brought back in force cause they could. Banning them is just dumb, dumb and dumb.
