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Old 02-19-2018, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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In Missouri, we have county sheriffs. But on 2nd and 3rd shift, there is one deputy for a 25 mile x 25 mile county. Response time can be 45 minutes or more. And there are several rural schools with no local police, in my county alone.
Sounds like where I used to live in Missouri, Iron County. The chances of law enforcement showing up in any reasonable amount of time were about the same as winning the lottery.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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And how would you collect the millions of those that are owned by Americans, you know that criminals won't turn theirs in? Why not focus on something that might work, like security at schools?
Because posters like this aren't really educated on the facts and just like to throw out silly knee jerk suggestions because they heard another uninformed person say it.
These are the same people that would tell you to cut off your arm if your hand hurts.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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Assaults, rapes and murders happen inside prisons every single day in the US. No unauthorized visitors in, no way to smuggle weapons from the outside, and armed guards and massive security infrastructure everywhere by design and definition. Yet murder still happens. Why is that?

Easiest answer is that the average prison inmate doesn't really GAFF about their fellow human beings, and not GAFF is the first step in making murder possible. Lanza, Cruz et al first had to not GAFF. After that, weapons are simply a style and methodology discussion, as is the security of the intended target.

Arm the teachers? OK, and let's say the next shooter is an actual marksman with proper gear, decided to study and prepare for the tactical scenario, and also understands the panicky nature of crowds and is better at chemistry than Harris/Kliebold were. And they also know teachers are armed, so they need to circumvent that as well. Then what? What do we ban? Which right do we take away?

You cannot ban human nature. You cannot ban evil. And you cannot possibly create a 100% safe and secure society that consists of human beings. It is impossible. Arming teachers and turning schools into max security day camps won't stop this crap. Neither ill banning weapons and ammunition and stripping every innocent American of their natural rights. Again, ask how there are so many violent crimes committed in prisons every day? Taking away rights, building walls and arming guards doesn't seem to stop them, does it?

Sadly, this is the very real, very ugly downside to freedom and liberty - someone will misuse that freedom and liberty in the worst way imaginable. We have taught an increasing number of people to not GAFF, and they are roaming free among us, as is the case in a free society.
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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Assaults, rapes and murders happen inside prisons every single day in the US. No unauthorized visitors in, no way to smuggle weapons from the outside, and armed guards and massive security infrastructure everywhere by design and definition. Yet murder still happens. Why is that?

Easiest answer is that the average prison inmate doesn't really GAFF about their fellow human beings, and not GAFF is the first step in making murder possible. Lanza, Cruz et al first had to not GAFF. After that, weapons are simply a style and methodology discussion, as is the security of the intended target.

Arm the teachers? OK, and let's say the next shooter is an actual marksman with proper gear, decided to study and prepare for the tactical scenario, and also understands the panicky nature of crowds and is better at chemistry than Harris/Kliebold were. And they also know teachers are armed, so they need to circumvent that as well. Then what? What do we ban? Which right do we take away?

You cannot ban human nature. You cannot ban evil. And you cannot possibly create a 100% safe and secure society that consists of human beings. It is impossible. Arming teachers and turning schools into max security day camps won't stop this crap. Neither ill banning weapons and ammunition and stripping every innocent American of their natural rights. Again, ask how there are so many violent crimes committed in prisons every day? Taking away rights, building walls and arming guards doesn't seem to stop them, does it?

Sadly, this is the very real, very ugly downside to freedom and liberty - someone will misuse that freedom and liberty in the worst way imaginable. We have taught an increasing number of people to not GAFF, and they are roaming free among us, as is the case in a free society.
I agree with some of what you say, but definitely not about not adding metal detectors. They work. When was the last time you heard of a mass shooting, or even a regular revenge or gang shooting at a school with metal detectors? They do have schools with metal detectors, mostly in high crime areas. They work. If someone is smart and tactical enough to bypass all of that, well then it will happen. But it wonít be because the schools just left these kids unprotected.
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Metal detectors. Cameras. School IDs that only allow access to certain portions of the school. Police officers/armed guards posted inside and outside.

These are things that can happen now without a legislative miracle.

We need to start making our schools gun resistant.

And if we want to arm our teachers, we should double their salary.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:18 PM
 
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Oh no, not at all. I'm not against guns but why does someone need a semi automatic rifle, unless it's to kill multiple targets in minutes.
Sure, because nobody who's ever needed to use a firearm ever needed more than one shot to end the threat.

I'm sorry..but are you new...to Life or something?

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End school shootings by banning children.
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Mr. Trump just put his foot in his mouth YET AGAIN. Ok for teacher to carry concealed weapon, after extensive training blah blah blah....everytime he opens his mouth out comes poison. A new one added to what a teacher Should Be Doing with the students she/he are teaching. JC**************
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Mr. Trump just put his foot in his mouth YET AGAIN. Ok for teacher to carry concealed weapon, after extensive training blah blah blah....everytime he opens his mouth out comes poison. A new one added to what a teacher Should Be Doing with the students she/he are teaching. JC**************
Thatís the NRA talking, every solution involves more guns.
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:43 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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This is what I've been saying. Arm the teachers. Bring in the NRA to train them (and students if they want to participate) in self defense and gun handling/shooting skills. A well armed staff, trained in the use of firearms will prevent most criminals from entertaining thoughts of shooting up a school. And NO MORE "GUN FREE ZONES," which are an open invitation. How stupid to assume a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" will prevent someone with evil intent from entering that silly "gun free zone" with a gun!
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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While I am not anti-gun, I would rather see steps taken to remove guns before they get into schools rather than bringing more in by arming the teachers. DH thinks they could be trained properly (he is an instructor), but I have my reservations.

I would rather start with limiting back packs (everything here is on computers now), and metal detectors.
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