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Old 02-19-2018, 06:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Retired in Illinois View Post
The gun debate overlooks a simple fact.

The 2nd amendment says that all have the right to "keep and bear arms". It does not say that everyone has the right to own police or military style arms.

IMO all of the common "hunting" weapons meet the intent of the 2nd amendment. Military/police style weapons do not. They are all designed for maximum kill rate of any human target. THAT is not the intent of the 2nd amendment. Under today's thinking machine , and/or fully automatic, weapons are illegal to for private citizens to own without a special permit with good reason. So it should be with any other military/police designed weapons.

Congress could, and should, outlaw all military/police style for citizen's private ownership. Owing common "hunting" weapons is more than enough for any person of sane and sound mind to own for their personal use.

No. The 2nd amendment says NOTHING about hunting. It specifically addresses militias and security of a free state:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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The Supreme court has already ruled that scemes like this are unconstitutional, You don't get to do an end run around the Bill of Rights.
Does the pole tax sound familiar.

RR
Just a suggestion. And the laws can change - blink of an eye.

Sooner than expected, there will be changes. Maybe insurance rather than a tax? Not a burden at all to do such, it just becomes more expensive.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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You can scream it in a theater if you want to also. It is not illegal.
True...you'd just end up getting kicked out.

What's illegal, technically speaking....or so the theory goes, is the endangerment of the people in the theater by causing a stampede to get out.

How you cause that panic is irrelevant.... yelling fire or setting off firecrackers or whatever...it's the intent on causing panic that's the crime....not the word itself.

But however you look at the technicalities, the analogy doesn't hold up when comparing to banning certain types of firearms.

Yet people still parrot this red herring argument as if it has some profound relevance........

It does not.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Weichert View Post
Just a suggestion. And the laws can change - blink of an eye.

Sooner than expected, there will be changes. Maybe insurance rather than a tax? Not a burden at all to do such, it just becomes more expensive.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Florida
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They are semi automatic. I don't know your definition but a semi auto is simply a weapon that you can fire multiple times without reloading by pulling the trigger each time.
It is not my definition. Revolvers are not classified as semi-automatic.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:21 AM
 
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It is not my definition. Revolvers are not classified as semi-automatic.
They are semi automatic. People just don't find them scary looking yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...omatic_pistols

There are guys that can fire a revolver faster than any of these guns.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
Semi-automatics have been on the market for more than 50 years. It's only recently that they have gained notoriety.

Since the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to serve as a bar against tyranny, and not to hunt animals for food, it stands to reason that the body of the people has to have at least a chance to defeat tyranny, and that is what semi-automatic weapons do.
Well 50 years ago the availability of these weapons was quite different, the production of semi-automatic handguns and rifles has exploded. I am also a Vietnam vet used an M16 which is not much different than the AR-15, you really have to question the use of these types of weapons in the hands of anyone.


It is extremely doubtful that there would be a need due to tyranny but even if that were the case I don't see people even with these weapons standing up to government forces,. Mean time these semi-auto handguns and rifles are being misused taking thousands of lives and are the weapons of choice in these mass shootings.


Agree with the OP entirely
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Couple more massacres like last week (and there will be), changes will be made. By popular demand.

Fight it all you wish, post away. With more massacres, change will happen.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by FatBob96 View Post
I know how a semi works.....some don't use "recoil" BTW, they use the spent gasses to drive the bolt.

But how it's classified is irrelevant.

How it works......1 shot per trigger pull...... isn't.
Semi-auto rifles use the gasses, while handguns use the recoil. Both utilize the energy of the preceding shot. That is where the word "automatic" comes from. Revolvers are not classified as semi-automatic, because the round is NOT automatically loaded. That's all I am saying. You can consider them semi-auto if you like.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Well 50 years ago the availability of these weapons was quite different, the production of semi-automatic handguns and rifles has exploded. I am also a Vietnam vet used an M16 which is not much different than the AR-15, you really have to question the use of these types of weapons in the hands of anyone.


It is extremely doubtful that there would be a need due to tyranny but even if that were the case I don't see people even with these weapons standing up to government forces,. Mean time these semi-auto handguns and rifles are being misused taking thousands of lives and are the weapons of choice in these mass shootings.
Not much different?

One has an option of firing automatic fire and the other does not.

As far as standing up to government forces, perhaps not, but let's not give the government any more of an advantage than it already has.
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