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Old 02-19-2018, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Originally Posted by Led Zeppelin View Post
No. The 2nd amendment says NOTHING about hunting. It specifically addresses militias and security of a free state:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Fine. Let's get it well regulated.

 
Old 02-19-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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The only difference in ar15 and a handgun, are better bullets and longer distance.. not enough reason for a ban... There is nothing "military" about it....
The standard fmj 5.56 (or similar .223 remington) round, even if using the 77gr version, is what farmers have been plinking possums, skunks and other varmints with for about 100 or so years. Jacketed lead cores are nothing new, nor are small bore rifles. Every farm kid in America prior to maybe 2000 got a .22 for a birthday prior to age 12. Same bullet, same kind of rifle, same everything minus looks.

The military adopted the platform not for the awesome lethality or whatever, but based on the ammo being light weight, allowing a soldier humping the jungles of Vietnam to be able to carry a crapton of ammo in order to remain effective away from resupply for longer periods. You can carry 4-5x as many rounds of 55gr 5.56 as average 7.62 for the same weight on the individual. Even if you go to M855 round (the super evil "armor piercing" military round, lol), you can carry twice as many of them as you can 7.62. Weight was why the 5.56 was the choice, and 40 years of field testing is why the military is going back to 7.62.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's really not up to Congress. It's up to the courts unless we can pass a Constitutional Amendment which we won't.
Its up to Congress. Courts in most States (all except 5 States) do not have the authority to strip people of their guns unless there is mental disease or crime involved.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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not much considered military about a shotgun either............but special forces use them.........
So does law enforcement, base/command security, reaction security forces, etc. While in the military, I trained/certified tactical with a 12 gauge for law enforcement, augmented base security, weapons depot reaction security, shipboard combat (both boarding and repel) and special weapons security. I also certified as an instructor for 12 gauge tactical.

In my 10 years, I spent a lot of time training with a 12 gauge shotgun, and exactly zero time in the special forces.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's irrelevant..... why are you even bringing it up?
Someone else brought it up, and I felt the urge to point out the facts.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 07:52 AM
 
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Its up to Congress. Courts in most States (all except 5 States) do not have the authority to strip people of their guns unless there is mental disease or crime involved.
That wasn't even a decent attempt at evading the point.

We will chalk this one up as your throw away round.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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The sure are good at killing people though.
Any firearm in the hands of an operator who disregards the right to life and non-aggression principle is good at killing people.

Then again, the same can be said of a hammer, chef's knife, baseball bat, etc. The disregard for human life is the weapon, and the device used to carry out the weapon's will is just a tool.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Just curious why revolvers would be exempt ? They fire a round with each pull of the trigger, just like a semi auto. Can you explain your reasoning ?
I guess the biggest difference it that revolver is limited to very few rounds, while AR-15 can have magazines with up to 100 rounds, and even 30 round magazines can be swapped very quickly for full ones.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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To overthrow the president? No, I dont think that will ever happen.

Do I think a local community will stand together in front of their homes and town to protect their property from gangs and terrorists? Yes.

Unless the National Guard, Army, Air Force, or even the local police are camped on your lawn, any assistance you need will take time to deploy and arrive. Hardly a prehistoric concept.

What belongs in the 15th century is what was in the 15th century - your not being allowed a weapon.

Remember the Alamo! The help they so desperately needed never arrived. The only thing good about it was that they slowed Santa Ana down so he could be caught up with at San Jacinto. Its quite possible that Texas would be in Mexico today if everyone simply ran North.
Where were you during the 9-11 attacks?.....at Walmart buying food and water as everyone else? or marching to Washington DC with your guns and rifles to protect Bush Junior and Cheney?
 
Old 02-19-2018, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
I guess the biggest difference it that revolver is limited to very few rounds, while AR-15 can have magazines with up to 100 rounds, and even 30 round magazines can be swapped very quickly for full ones.
There are many hunting rifles that have magazines that can be swapped very quickly. Handguns too. Or, the perp will bring multiple handguns, and discard the ones that are empty, and keep firing with the others. Capacity isn't the bogeyman you make it out to be, it is the INTENT, and ACTIONS of the killer that is the threat.
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