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Semantics! A weapon manufactured to kill as many people possible in as short of a time as possible is a weapon of war to the human body and this civilian. OK...call it whatever you want and insert that noun into my argument. Same position and supported opinion is the result.
You additionally made another point of mine...I do not understand why we as a people cannot have a sensible discussion regarding the goal of securing the welfare of ourselves...belittling and "winning" on semantics or knee jerk talking points get us, as a nation or people, nowhere!
And I feel like repeating my anecdote, feel free to insert the noun of your choice,FatBob96.
In a suburban Pittsburgh H.S. in 2014, a 16-year-old sophomore, used a pair of eight-inch kitchen knives to attack fellow students. After wounding several people he pulled the fire alarm in an effort to gain access to more students. While and after being subdued by an assistant principal he continued to shout, " My work is not done. I have more people to kill". A total of 22 people, including the assailant, were injured during the rampage. Four students sustained life-threatening injuries, but all survived.
If this troubled teen had a weapon of war instead of the weapons he did utilize, I doubt the outcome that day at Franklin Regional H.S. would have been the same!
We need sensible gun regulation and not more weapons of war! The surviving victims of the latest school massacre know this, unfortunately. Once again, I applaud them for their courage and attempts to turn their rage into activism. They are asking the adults of our society to hear them! When is enough, enough? We aren't protecting them! Our legislators aren't protecting them!
Knives are weapons of war.
But the point here is not the weapons.......
It's the people and the environments in which they choose to attack..
If the school in you're "anecdote" was not an undefended, gun free zone, he would't have been able to injure anyone with those "weapons of war" would he?
So your telling me that any 19 year old with limited shooting experience can within a month or so shoot as good as this guy? Please....try again.
he doesn't have to shoot as fast as that guy he only has to shoot some what as fast as that guy, because time is on his side when he is the wolf and everyone else the sheep.
It's the source of the reason why I never bothered to make my Uzi carbines into SBR's. I was getting so much conflicting data that it wasn't worth the hassle nor the potential penalty if one did wrong.
So I have carbines with 16 inch barrels but let me say that they are carbines and the full size rifles, for -15, -10 are up to 20 inches or so.
The only difference between an AR-15 and an M4 and M16 is the selector switch. Which isn't really in the scheme of things that much of a difference. My cousin was in a Marine Infantry Regiment and did 2 combat tours in Iraq, including one year in Ramadi where things got really ugly. In all of the gun fights he was in he never once fired his M16 in full auto. His commanders actively discourage them from using full auto since it wastes ammo. So essentially he carried to war what these spree shooters are using in schools and concerts.
You can buy a 14.5 inched barrel AR-15 which has a permanently attached flash suppressor making it 16 inches long, or you can just buy a 16 inch barreled AR-15. Some of these cosmetically resemble the M-4 Carbine, but are semi auto only. If you want to go through buying a tax stamp, you have to apply, pay $200, go through another background check, wait for several months, then you can buy a shorter barreled rifle. That is the same process for a sound suppressor, or full auto.
Full auto firearms were banned from manufacturer, and importation in 1986 making their supply finite, and their cost astronomical. They are collector firearms now.
In a gun free zone like a school, it's irrelevant.
Nobody's going to play superman in the time it takes a shooter to change a mag.
Everyone is scared, confused and ducking for cover and nobody has a weapon to shoot back with.
If your fish are in a barrel, it doesn't matter how long it takes to bait the hook.
The army did tests on the M1 Grand (8 round clip)and determined it would average between 16 to 24 rounds per minute for the average soldier. The AR-15 (30 round mag)averages 400 rounds per minute (once over 400 rounds in a minute the gas tube will war, hence why the Vegas shooter used multiple guns)
Assuming we have 10 minutes before the police arrive.
M1 - at its full limit might get to 240 rounds in that time.
AR-15 - at its full limit might get to 4000 rounds in that time.
Which is going to do more damage in that period of time?
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