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Old 02-19-2018, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by corpgypsy View Post
Another articulate opinion in an attempt to change the narrative.


Asking to have sensible regulations and approaches to preventing massacres in an effort to promote the common good does not equate a position of taking away your right to bear arms!


We are a democracy...that means compromise in governing. Both sides must understand each other before we each give something up to come to the middle. Are you truly better off when you shut down an attempt at understanding someone else? Do you think that your perceived win by cursing at this 70 year old woman will do anything to solve this very real issue in your life and the lives of every citizen?


Don't you want to be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem?
No, we aren't. We are a Constitutional Republic, meaning that any laws and regulations are required to align with the Constitution in order to be upheld. Banning a gun, all guns, or any guns does not align with the Constitution. Can they be regulated? Yes, as long as that regulation does not infringe upon one's rights. Can they be banned? Not Constitutionally.

The best that you can hope for when it comes to AR platform rifles is an increase in the age of purchasers and perhaps stricter background checks. You aren't going to be able to get a ban past any judge that understands and upholds the Constitution.

 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by corpgypsy View Post
Another articulate opinion in an attempt to change the narrative.


Asking to have sensible regulations and approaches to preventing massacres in an effort to promote the common good does not equate a position of taking away your right to bear arms!


We are a democracy...that means compromise in governing. Both sides must understand each other before we each give something up to come to the middle. Are you truly better off when you shut down an attempt at understanding someone else? Do you think that your perceived win by cursing at this 70 year old woman will do anything to solve this very real issue in your life and the lives of every citizen?


Don't you want to be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem?
LOL! We are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by JimRom View Post
No, we aren't. We are a Constitutional Republic, meaning that any laws and regulations are required to align with the Constitution in order to be upheld. Banning a gun, all guns, or any guns does not align with the Constitution. Can they be regulated? Yes, as long as that regulation does not infringe upon one's rights. Can they be banned? Not Constitutionally.

The best that you can hope for when it comes to AR platform rifles is an increase in the age of purchasers and perhaps stricter background checks. You aren't going to be able to get a ban past any judge that understands and upholds the Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...lt_Weapons_Ban

While it expired, it was a fully legal, enforceable ban.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
He hit over 800 people with 1100 rounds in about 10 minutes.


With multiple weapons

Equipped with Bump Stocks

From an elevated position

In a barricaded room

With cameras.

Firing at thousands of distracted, unarmed victims gathered in a semi confined space.

For half an hour.




Again, fish in a barrel makes just about everything else irrelevant.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...lt_Weapons_Ban

While it expired, it was a fully legal, enforceable ban.
From the link you posted:
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The federal assault weapons ban was never directly challenged under the Second Amendment. Since its expiration in 2004 there has been debate on how it would fare in light of cases decided in following years, especially District of Columbia v. Heller (2008).
The AWB was a half-hearted attempt at a gun ban, which actually did nothing to ban firearms - only their cosmetic features. You could still buy firearms that functioned the exact same way, they just couldn't have any "scary" features. Not really the best example of a "Constitutional" gun ban, is it?
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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No...its relevant to hitting moving targets full stop. You have a higher probability of hitting people when you are firing 4000 bullets vs 240 bullets. You are attempting to argue against probability. The Vegas shooter would not have hit 600+ people if he could only fire 240 rounds.



Vegas shooter had multiple weapons and a half an hour before police broke down the door to his barricaded room.

I could get off 240 shots in half an hour with multiple double barrel shotguns.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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From the link you posted:


The AWB was a half-hearted attempt at a gun ban, which actually did nothing to ban firearms - only their cosmetic features. You could still buy firearms that functioned the exact same way, they just couldn't have any "scary" features. Not really the best example of a "Constitutional" gun ban, is it?
Point being banning types of guns does not violate the 2nd amendment, anymore than banning yelling "fire" in a crowded venue violates the first. Effectiveness of ban is not why it was legal, and the SC question never made it past conjecture. I could see swing votes changing btw given the quantity of school massacres this decade.

PS: Complete bans violate either.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:42 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Vegas shooter had multiple weapons and a half an hour before police broke down the door to his barricaded room.

I could get off 240 shots in half an hour with multiple double barrel shotguns.
He got off 1100 rounds in 10 minutes hitting 800 people. And he was an out of shape middle aged man with little to no firearm training and zero military experience. This would not be possible with a bolt-action rifle, or even a semi-auto with a limited mag size. He would have been lucky to kill 5 people under those circumstances.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
You clearly have no idea about firearms.

Could you please educate yourself before posting?

Two statistics.
In Vietnam war, 30,000-50,000 rounds per kill. In Iraq war, that’s 250,000 rounds per kill.
The military uses suppressing fire, so it is a meaningless point.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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Thank you for your post, and your willingness to re-consider your opinions.

I just wanted to point out what should be obvious to everyone, but isn't: That it's perfectly possible to respect the Second Amendment and still want strict gun controls. Many people believe, as I do, that the Second Amendment is not a guarantee for unlimited ownership. In my case, I believe that it grants ownership for guns to be owned by people who are planning to use them in defending the country from foreign attack.

Keep in mind that the discourse has radically changed in the last few decades, once the NRA thrust themselves into the discussion - and keep in mind that the purpose of the NRA is to ensure continued profits for gun manufacturers.
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