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Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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Originally Posted by Squidlo
By 2030 I expect a swing to the right. The youth of America will likely see the endgame of the current swing to the left. I would prefer reasonable centrists but we can't seem to pull it off at the moment. I agree that succession of some states may be a reality post 2030. You could literally vote with your feet and live in the idealogy you prefer with all the responsibility of a sovern nation.
I don't see the shift to the right you predict. I'd love it to be so, but the trend shows otherwise. When you add all the pockets of Dem support it will overwhelm the shrinking rural conservative, religious, abortion hating, gun loving Rep supporters.
The trends shows a decline in rural living and an increase in city living. City dwellers lean to the Democratic vote, rural dwellers tend towards a Republican vote. Conservative policies are just not popular any longer with the upcoming millennial vote. (Gen Z'ers are up in the air as to who gets their vote, but Gen Z is not enough to counter all the rest of loyal Dem supporters.)
Guns are hated by a good portion of America, the gun haters generally vote Dem with the hopes of gun confiscation.
Legalizing dope is a cornerstone of Dem politics, the dope heads vote Dem with the hopes of getting high 24/7 with easy and cheap access to dope.
Abortion lovers vote Dem.
Atheists overwhelmingly vote Dem. The decline of traditional church goers (religiosity) in America is dramatic.
Homosexuals overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Outcasts overwhelmingly vote Dem.
The white vote is shrinking and will be the minority vote in the USA soon. Whites were a big chunk of the 'hopeful' votes for the Reps.
Mexicans overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Blacks overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Asians overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Immigrants overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Women are on the move as never before, women's hope is to control the vote in the USA. Women vote Dem in much larger numbers than women vote Rep. Most women are gun haters.
Healthcare is something neither party can do effectively in the USA...but which party at least tried to offer a toothpick of useless healthcare...the Dems. Anyone that has 'dreams' of affordable healthcare has to vote Dem. (But dreams are all they will ever get whether it is Dem or Rep. Since American healthcare is profit based, the highest profit must be realized under a capitalist society. And that profit is always determined just a notch behind outright entire collapse. Portions of collapse does not matter to a capitalist society, it is only total collapse that it tries to avoid.)
Living expenses are skyrocketing in America. The minimum wage workers in the US are only 3% to 4%, but the Reps have shown little interest in raising the min wage and some Reps are even for abolishing it. With hopes of making enough money to live in a closet and be able to buy a few cans of dog food, where will the min wage worker lean? Many elections are lost just by a few % of the votes, it could be the minimum wage vote that accounts for the tipping point for a Dem success.
As the robots, illegals and new immigrants take the jobs, the middle class will keep shrinking. The Reps have no record of looking out for the middle class, the Reps are the party of big business. The Dems have a history of entitlement handouts and throwing crumbs to the poor. As the middle class turns into the newly minted poor, they will look towards the Dems for handouts to just try and survive.
You hear it all the time on the TV with the kids saying they will vote NRA supported politicians out and they will change the system when they get into politics. Unless something unforeseen happens, the future will look dim for the 2A and guns.
Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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If I may speculate, there is not much to be hopeful about. No matter which party wins the election, America loses. Our public debt cannot be paid by lawful means, nor can it be challenged as to its validity. The recipient class is fully capable of outvoting the donor class, and no politician dares to act against their will. No one votes against their self-interest, and that spells catastrophe.
Congress has been borrowing MORE than it pays in interest since mid 2000's. That is what Bernie Madoff is in jail for doing in the private sector. Eventually, new investors will realize that not only will they not get equitable value for the interest they receive, but that getting back their initial capital is not going to occur. When government can no longer borrow to pay its obligations, it’s over. At that point, something will snap. Recipients will not get their benefits. Civil unrest follows. That is inevitable.
Connect the dots.
Hah...no one gives this a thought.
Now what you say is important, except the gov never pays it all back from what I can see and they just keeps pushing it down the road.
As long as the electric is on, the gov can just add a few ciphers to the dept on the computer and create $ out of thin air. It is not like back in the day when we had a gold standard. It is all smoke and mirrors nowadays.
Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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Considerably more civil division. The country may end up deciding to split into regional groups with similar viewpoints.
I'd be all for it. Reps can't live under Dems, Dems can't live under Reps.
But see no way for it to come about.
I guess if the Dems ever take control and can repeal the 2A, maybe that will be what it takes to make a divide. When Australia confiscated the guns they only had 600,000. America has upwards of 300 million. Dems can live in gun free states, Reps can live in gun allowed states.
Climate change - whether it's caused by man or a natural part of our planet's cycle, it's definitely happening. Look at all the crazy weather just this winter. Unusual snow and cold in Nor'Eastah's part of the country and severe drought here in the Southwest.
Am very concerned, especially since snow pack in the mountains is only a third of what it would normally be. The reservoir that supplies our irrigation water looks like a mud puddle. I live in ranching country and last year our agricultural yields were down significantly due to decreased precip. Meanwhile, the folks in the big cities like Denver and Phoenix are trying to figure out ways to steal our water so that they can grow lawns in the arid West and fill up their swimming pools.
I'd advise buying land in the northern tier of the country. It can't hurt. If all goes well, then you simply have made a good investment that will pay off for your retirement or your children's inheritance. Worst case, you've got a place where you can retreat to and live off the land.
I agree with the bolded. It snowed twice here in Houston this year......TWICE! Not a lot but it covered the ground for a bit. Normally we're lucky if we get snow once every 10 or so years.
We're already considering leaving the states in the next 5 years. We've realized as a family we don't feel particularly loyal to this nation and would like to reach out to the areas where our own families came from.
I don't see the shift to the right you predict. I'd love it to be so, but the trend shows otherwise. When you add all the pockets of Dem support it will overwhelm the shrinking rural conservative, religious, abortion hating, gun loving Rep supporters.
The trends shows a decline in rural living and an increase in city living. City dwellers lean to the Democratic vote, rural dwellers tend towards a Republican vote. Conservative policies are just not popular any longer with the upcoming millennial vote. (Gen Z'ers are up in the air as to who gets their vote, but Gen Z is not enough to counter all the rest of loyal Dem supporters.)
Guns are hated by a good portion of America, the gun haters generally vote Dem with the hopes of gun confiscation.
Legalizing dope is a cornerstone of Dem politics, the dope heads vote Dem with the hopes of getting high 24/7 with easy and cheap access to dope.
Abortion lovers vote Dem.
Atheists overwhelmingly vote Dem. The decline of traditional church goers (religiosity) in America is dramatic.
Homosexuals overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Outcasts overwhelmingly vote Dem.
The white vote is shrinking and will be the minority vote in the USA soon. Whites were a big chunk of the 'hopeful' votes for the Reps.
Mexicans overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Blacks overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Asians overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Immigrants overwhelmingly vote Dem.
Women are on the move as never before, women's hope is to control the vote in the USA. Women vote Dem in much larger numbers than women vote Rep. Most women are gun haters.
Healthcare is something neither party can do effectively in the USA...but which party at least tried to offer a toothpick of useless healthcare...the Dems. Anyone that has 'dreams' of affordable healthcare has to vote Dem. (But dreams are all they will ever get whether it is Dem or Rep. Since American healthcare is profit based, the highest profit must be realized under a capitalist society. And that profit is always determined just a notch behind outright entire collapse. Portions of collapse does not matter to a capitalist society, it is only total collapse that it tries to avoid.)
Living expenses are skyrocketing in America. The minimum wage workers in the US are only 3% to 4%, but the Reps have shown little interest in raising the min wage and some Reps are even for abolishing it. With hopes of making enough money to live in a closet and be able to buy a few cans of dog food, where will the min wage worker lean? Many elections are lost just by a few % of the votes, it could be the minimum wage vote that accounts for the tipping point for a Dem success.
As the robots, illegals and new immigrants take the jobs, the middle class will keep shrinking. The Reps have no record of looking out for the middle class, the Reps are the party of big business. The Dems have a history of entitlement handouts and throwing crumbs to the poor. As the middle class turns into the newly minted poor, they will look towards the Dems for handouts to just try and survive.
You hear it all the time on the TV with the kids saying they will vote NRA supported politicians out and they will change the system when they get into politics. Unless something unforeseen happens, the future will look dim for the 2A and guns.
Sadly Trump support is growing stronger every minute, also black conservatism and the number of anti-feminist women are on the rise whether you like it or not.
We're already considering leaving the states in the next 5 years. We've realized as a family we don't feel particularly loyal to this nation and would like to reach out to the areas where our own families came from.
Remember, there is only one nation with a republican form of government.
If you don't like being a subject in the People's Democratic Socialist Republic, you can always withdraw consent and return to the united States of America.
Don't believe me - go read the law for yourself, available at any county courthouse law library.
I have not read all law, but I have yet to find a law that trespasses upon the natural and personal liberty of the American national / free inhabitant domiciled upon private property within the boundaries of the united States of America.
(* The statutes routinely have qualifying statements that explicitly protect rights. They will often state that the law in question shall not be construed to trespass any existing right, nor apply to private property, etc, etc. They are not rigid, absolute rules, as are the laws in other nations.)
However, there ARE voluminous rules, regulations, taxes, and penalties imposed on U.S. citizens / residents, duly enumerated (via FICA), engaged in usury, who reside at residences, who have only qualified ownership of estate, duly registered as real estate, and are obligated to get permission (license) and / or pay taxes to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry, and / or own a dog.
In short, if one has not given consent, all that servant government can do is secure rights, as in prosecute those who deliberately injure the person and property of another. But once consent is given, all bets are off.
I'll be surprised if I'm still walking this planet in 20 years, I may not even be here in ten years. I live day to day these days. I do hope this fifteen minutes of fame for the lunatic fringe on both sides of the political spectrum will be gone. I do think Russia will be out of our country and politics, and we will come together as American's first. Yes my glass is always half full
I do think Russia will be out of our country and politics, and we will come together as American's first. Yes my glass is always half full
How, exactly, is Russia "in our country and politics"? Has there been a KGB agent on your doorstep threatening you? Has there been a Russian hacking into your bank account and buying vodka with your wages? Has there been any Russian anywhere directly affecting your thoughts and actions? Have you been hypnotized by a Russian mystic?
Tell me what, exactly, did the Russian Boogieman do to control my, your, or anyone else's thoughts or actions? If you are talking about exposing Clinton's felonies, Clinton did that, not Russia. Do you blame the police for a murder if they catch a murderer?
And if that is, indeed, what you are calling Russian interference, is that all you've got? Just that? Ethiopia has probably "interfered" more than that. It's laughingly trivial. So show me where Russia reprogrammed voting machines and I'll do something besides roll my eyes and laugh at your allegations.
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