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Old 02-23-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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Sure it is. As long as you talk to actual feminists, not just what Red Pill types say feminists do or do not support.
I do.
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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And you seem to think that just because he is a man he MUST do housework. No exceptions.

Why is that?

Why must every man do housework? No exceptions, no explanations, no reasoning other than he is a man and MUST do housework?

And you seem to think that just because she is a woman she MUST do housework. No exceptions.

Why is that?

Why must every woman do housework? No exceptions, no explanations, no reasoning other than she is a woman and MUST do housework?
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:18 AM
 
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Right. I don't know a single woman who is not a feminist. Every woman I know believes people should have equal legal rights and equal social opportunities regardless of gender.
Nor do I know any women who are active in feminist organizations or working to undermine men, marriage, families or SAHMs. From where I sit most women just go about their business going to work and/or school and taking care of and loving their families and living their lives as they see fit.
Women already have this.

So why are the feminists still yelling for rights? And there are organizations working to undermine men's rights, specifically regarding abortions, child support, custody and child care issues.
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:19 AM
 
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And you seem to think that just because he is a man he MUST do housework. No exceptions.

Why is that?

Why must every man do housework? No exceptions, no explanations, no reasoning other than he is a man and MUST do housework?
It isn't a man vs woman issue. Able bodied adults should clean up after themselves. People who live in a family unit should also contribute to the "greater" good of the family. How they divide that up, is up to them as a family to decide. And I say that as a feminist.
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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*sigh*

I'm so tired of folks on the far-right thinking the 1950's were some perfect time in the past and if we just rolled back all social progress and civil rights, we'd some how magically return to that era.

First, the 1950's were only great if you were a straight, white, Christian male. If you were black, you couldn't vote, had a hell of a time finding a job, and could easily be killed for no reason other than your skin color in parts of the nation. If you were of the "wrong" religion or sexuality, you'd always be ostracized and never be on the fast-track at work. And if you were a woman, you were a second class citizen, a sex object, and had a hard time finding good jobs or being taken seriously. I'll pretend that the reason most of the people who want to return to the 1950's has nothing to do with the fact that they would suddenly become privileged citizens by virtue of their gender, skin color, sexuality, and religion.

Even beyond the basic lack of civil rights and equality present at that time, people seem to forget the economic reasons why life was so easy for the US back then. The rest of the world was basically in a shambles after WW2. That is no longer how things are now, so our nation can't live on easy street by being the only industrialized power left on the planet that was bombed to a smoking ruin.

There is very little, save for job security and pensions, that was great about the 1950's, and while it would be nice to see those 2 things come back, don't get your hopes up.
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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Women already have this.

So why are the feminists still yelling for rights? And there are organizations working to undermine men's rights, specifically regarding abortions, child support, custody and child care issues.

There are also organizations working to undermine women's right on the same issues you mention. Why not just let those outliers yell at each other and let everyone else go about living their lives however they see fit?
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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It isn't a man vs woman issue. Able bodied adults should clean up after themselves. People who live in a family unit should also contribute to the "greater" good of the family. How they divide that up, is up to them as a family to decide. And I say that as a feminist.
I agree it is a family issue.

Which is why the men should always do housework statements are ridiculous. Yet are always a default to prove how much women are victims of .. what exactly I don't know.
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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Women already have this.

So why are the feminists still yelling for rights? And there are organizations working to undermine men's rights, specifically regarding abortions, child support, custody and child care issues.
When those who had privilege lose it to make the rights of other equal, they often see it as something being taken away that they are entitled to. That does not make it true.

And men have every right to have an abortion if they ever find themselves pregnant. Every adult should have body autonomy when it comes to their medical decisions.
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:22 AM
 
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Women already have this.

So why are the feminists still yelling for rights? And there are organizations working to undermine men's rights, specifically regarding abortions, child support, custody and child care issues.
Because there are no shortages of people out there - president grabby hands and many of his followers included - who want to roll back women's rights. They also would love to roll back all forms of civil rights for blacks, gays, etc.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. I find it hilarious that right-wingers who spout off all the time about the need to "keep guns in case I gotta kill the gubermint!" pretend to not understand why minorities would take hard-line stances to protect their own freedoms.
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Old 02-23-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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There are also organizations working to undermine women's right on the same issues you mention. Why not just let those outliers yell at each other and let everyone else go about living their lives however they see fit?
Because feminism is dishonest and has been for a long time. People are brainwashed by it and don;t have a full background on what it is and where it came from. They think they know, but they really have no clue.

What groups are trying to take away mother's rights? Or are these groups trying to make thing EQUAL and the feminists don't like it?
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