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Old 02-19-2018, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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That seems to be what Rick Scott expected the FBI to do.
No, it isn't. The FBI would be operating under due process when investigating a clear and present threat!
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OTOH, his own social services dropped the ball. As did local police, who had many contacts with Cruz in recent years. The kid gave off all kinds of warning signals. But, as you said, we don't lock people up because they show the potential for a crime spree.
Forfeiture of gun rights requires some specific charges to be brought AND convicted, or being ADJUDICATED as mentally incompetent, or being under a domestic violence restraining order. If none of those were met, then there's really nothing the locals could have done!
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The FBI failed for sure, bigtime. But, local LEO has a lot to answer for as well imo as well as the FL Dept that was called re his mental health when he cut himself.
Do you have the records? Do you know exactly what happened in all those interactions? If not, then you don't know if any of those met any kind of criteria to take action that would have prevented this.
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Old 02-19-2018, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No, it isn't. The FBI would be operating under due process when investigating a clear and present threat!

Forfeiture of gun rights requires some specific charges to be brought AND convicted, or being ADJUDICATED as mentally incompetent, or being under a domestic violence restraining order. If none of those were met, then there's really nothing the locals could have done!
Exactly.

And yet here's that bozo Rick Scott posturing as if the FBI, on a phone tip, was in a position to prevent Cruz from carrying out his crime.

They weren't.

Yet he's calling for Wray to step down.

Nothing but a cheap, obvious political ploy designed mainly to discredit the FBI in order to run cover for tRump's crimes.

Florida should dump him.

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Old 02-19-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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What do you think he should, or could have done to prevent this rampage killer?
Grow a pair, tell the NRA to go to hell, and ban the sale and possession of AK 15's in the Gunshine State!

That would be a good start.
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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What do you think he should, or could have done to prevent this rampage killer?
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What could the FBI have done that the local authorities, who'd reportedly been called to the shooter's home 39 times in the last 4 years, couldn't have done?
We will never know perhaps since they did nothing.

We know there were things they could have done about Tamerlan Tsarnaev but did nothing despite many warnings.
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Old 02-19-2018, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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No, it isn't. The FBI would be operating under due process when investigating a clear and present threat!

Forfeiture of gun rights requires some specific charges to be brought AND convicted, or being ADJUDICATED as mentally incompetent, or being under a domestic violence restraining order. If none of those were met, then there's really nothing the locals could have done!

Do you have the records? Do you know exactly what happened in all those interactions? If not, then you don't know if any of those met any kind of criteria to take action that would have prevented this.
That's exactly right. It's my contention that gun owners shouldn't be the only ones who see their rights chipped away, though. There seems to have been just enough in this person's past that anyone even remotely close to him thought he was a threat. Perhaps we should revisit what it takes to get a person adjudicated, and who is allowed to make that determination. Somehow the anti-gunners on C-D don't want to talk about that end of the 'Rights' spectrum.
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:36 AM
 
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If the feds wants gun banning... and they've openly admitted that... then the question is are they deliberately looking the other way when these shooters come up on their radar? Is this something more sinister and not just mere incompetence and a bloated bureaucracy with its priorities way out of whack?
The First Amendment, The Second Amendment, both are under attack right now. So are US citizens. Didn't Hitler use the old tactic of blaming outsiders for what he and his party were responsible for? That sounds very familiar to blaming Putin for tampering with our elections and criticizing the American people for falling prey to outside influences in our political discussions. And didn't Hitler ban guns?
We still have Nazis running around... George Soros is one.
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:40 AM
 
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No, it isn't. The FBI would be operating under due process when investigating a clear and present threat!

Forfeiture of gun rights requires some specific charges to be brought AND convicted, or being ADJUDICATED as mentally incompetent, or being under a domestic violence restraining order. If none of those were met, then there's really nothing the locals could have done!

Do you have the records? Do you know exactly what happened in all those interactions? If not, then you don't know if any of those met any kind of criteria to take action that would have prevented this.
I already said above it will be interesting to see what is in the records.

But, common sense tells me based on what has already been reported that this kid has been committing crimes for some time. Which ones were reported to local LEO and what they did remains to be seen.

I also know that the local Sheriff ran on a platform of reducing arrests of juveniles and diverting them to other programs for help.
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:46 AM
 
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What could the FBI have done that the local authorities, who'd reportedly been called to the shooter's home 39 times in the last 4 years, couldn't have done?
An investigation?

Isnt that their job?

You know an investigation where maybe they would have found evidence of a specific plot since obviously the kid had one.
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:25 AM
 
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It's amazing how far Leftists will go to find excuses for the very people responsible and blame the gun. It's all fake..They have an agenda and it isn't to protect anyone. It's to strip more of your rights.
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Scott wants to run for Senate. So hide the fact that he is for allowing newborns to have Ar's when leaving the hospital.


The kids of today want a life with safety. Scott is against that.
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