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Old 03-26-2018, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
Boobus doesn't think. Boobus keeps going back to the poisonous well and drinks from it. The policy either works or it doesn't.
Are you referring to Doctor REMM and Mr. Boobus?
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Old 03-26-2018, 08:23 PM
 
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If you remove every law that isn't 100% effective it could always be worse. There will always be violations to any law created, using that logic we should do away with laws against rape and assault because those crimes still take place.


Why is it that when it comes to guns we need to have perfect laws.
What you and those like you fail to understand is that none of the proposed gun laws will have any effect on someone that is intent on committing a crime! Murder, rape, assault, kidnapping, etc are already illegal yet you think another law will accomplish what all the present laws can’t! You fail to address the criminal and instead think the solution is trying to control the inanimate “tool” that the criminal uses, completely ignoring the fact that the vast majority of firearms are owned by law abiding citizens and will never be used in a crime.

You’re willing to protect banks and stores, etc with armed guards but scoff at the mention of protecting children with anything more than a “No Guns Allowed” sign.

If guns were all made illegal today it wouldn’t affect the criminals, many of whom are already prohibited from possessing a firearm. New laws will only affect the law abiding. They’ll have NO effect on crime! NONE!
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Old 03-26-2018, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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What you and those like you fail to understand is that none of the proposed gun laws will have any effect on someone that is intent on committing a crime! Murder, rape, assault, kidnapping, etc are already illegal yet you think another law will accomplish what all the present laws can’t! You fail to address the criminal and instead think the solution is trying to control the inanimate “tool” that the criminal uses, completely ignoring the fact that the vast majority of firearms are owned by law abiding citizens and will never be used in a crime.

You’re willing to protect banks and stores, etc with armed guards but scoff at the mention of protecting children with anything more than a “No Guns Allowed” sign.

If guns were all made illegal today it wouldn’t affect the criminals, many of whom are already prohibited from possessing a firearm. New laws will only affect the law abiding. They’ll have NO effect on crime! NONE!
They know that, they simply refuse to acknowledge it. They need to do something and it always leads right back to banning a thing, making it illegal, more laws.

Murder is illegal, in most cases it will be the last act of a free person, and look how well that law is working.

The left want to believe so badly that a law will fix everything. A perfect example of ignorance being bliss.

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not until they get their agenda passed, which is in fact a total gun ban in the US.
The shildren at the event over the weekend read their scripts perfectly, and let it slip that they want to ban not just assault rifles, but all semi-automatic weapons. THAT is the actual truth. That would be banning and confiscating 90% of all handguns and rifles.
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Old 03-27-2018, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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No one is asking for perfect, just ones based on facts not emotion. Also, we currently have 20,000 plus firearms related laws on the books, will that 20,001 be the one that just changes everything ?
There are states that don’t even require a permit to purchase a gun so you can quote that 20,000 number all you want but our gun laws are loose.
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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There are states that don’t even require a permit to purchase a gun so you can quote that 20,000 number all you want but our gun laws are loose.
As it should be, the 2nd Amendment is a Constitutionally guaranteed right and not a privilege. However there are already legal requirements in place on who can legally own a gun. They're all listed on federal Form 4473. As long as an individual meets all of those legal requirements there's no reason for them to get a permission slip from some bureaucrat. We also have the NICS system in place to supposedly weed out the prohibited possessors. However that's only as good as the information that's entered into it as the Parkland shooting and others have proven.

Although in some states private sales can be made without going through a background check and filling out Form 4473. However it is still illegal to knowingly sell to an individual who is a prohibited possessor as described by federal law. The burden of proof would be on the private seller if that firearm was later on used in a crime. Civil penalties may also apply. It is also illegal for a private seller to sell to an out of state resident without going through a federally licensed dealer within the purchasers home state at which time all of the legal requirements of making a sale will be made. Should anyone that sells a firearm privately, loans one to a friend or even passes one down to a family member be turned into a de facto federal firearms dealer subject to all of the same requirements and records keeping? Even if you're out target shooting and allow a friend to try out your gun? But then again that would allow everyone to buy firearms directly from a wholesaler or directly from a manufacturer just as any other federally licensed dealer can.

It's a federal crime punishable by 10 years in prison along with a $250,000 fine to provide any false statements on Form 4473. If an individual is caught committing a crime other than an infraction while in possession of a firearm they will be charged with additional firearms charges whether that firearm was used in a crime or not. Or any crime committed that violates any one of those conditions listed on Form 4473.

For example: Users of controlled substances are prohibited by law from possessing firearms. So let's say you get pulled over for a minor traffic infraction, the police officer detects an oder of marijuana and finds a single "roach" in the ashtray along with a firearm. You can then expect to be charged with the traffic infraction, the illegal possession of a controlled substance (marijuana) and the illegal possession of a firearm. If you're high on marijuana at the time you would be charged with a DUI as well.

This would even apply if you had a medical marijuana card and were in possession of a firearm as marijuana is still considered a controlled substance under federal law regardless of any state law. As such you would still be prohibited by federal law from owning firearms.

So you see the laws are still in place regarding the criminal possession of firearms. Violators of any one of the thousands upon thousands of laws are still subject to arrest, prosecution, conviction and incarceration.

Nothing can be further than the truth to make the claim that "gun laws are loose".
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There are states that don’t even require a permit to purchase a gun so you can quote that 20,000 number all you want but our gun laws are loose.
A permit? Are you kidding? If I show valid id and pass the NIC that's all I should have to do. A permit is a worthless piece of paper that has a govt fee attached to it.
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Old 03-27-2018, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Of course they can make sense, by themselves. When you add in the fact that there's already 325 million guns in the country, they make very little sense because, they won't help much and the ones that would are impossible to enact and enforce.
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Old 04-01-2018, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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you're right, guns should be banned entirely.
Try banning more guns than people in the United States.
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Old 04-01-2018, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Regulations that abolish liberty to "prevent crime" are a crime against liberty.
Governments cannot prevent crime - only prosecute after the fact.
Incompetent governments impose regulations to appear to be "doing something" - but they have little effect on those who ignore such regulations.
When the punishment is no longer a deterrence for criminals, making their victims helpless is no remedy.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:50 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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What you and those like you fail to understand is that none of the proposed gun laws will have any effect on someone that is intent on committing a crime! Murder, rape, assault, kidnapping, etc are already illegal yet you think another law will accomplish what all the present laws can’t! You fail to address the criminal and instead think the solution is trying to control the inanimate “tool” that the criminal uses, completely ignoring the fact that the vast majority of firearms are owned by law abiding citizens and will never be used in a crime.

You’re willing to protect banks and stores, etc with armed guards but scoff at the mention of protecting children with anything more than a “No Guns Allowed” sign.

If guns were all made illegal today it wouldn’t affect the criminals, many of whom are already prohibited from possessing a firearm. New laws will only affect the law abiding. They’ll have NO effect on crime! NONE!
Well said.

Why do our officials keep trying to recycles old "gun control" laws that didn't work the first three times they were tried?

Isn't it time we looked into what HAS reduced the murder rate, or gun deaths, or whatever, and try some of those things instead?
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