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Old 11-06-2018, 04:44 AM
 
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"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device
to deny gun ownership to the people." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

This is very strange, SO many people that go out and register their guns, take the mandatory classes and obtain their conceal/carry licenses....they believe they are doing the patriotic thing in doing these things....but in reality, they are being obedient to unconstitutional laws and regulations!

Its strange they cannot recognize this though.
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Old 11-06-2018, 04:58 AM
 
Location: PSL
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The leftist extremists have tried every ban, registration, gun=per=month limit, gun=free zone and every other possible restriction. They know by now that they don't work, and that the only pro-active government ploy that has a chance of working, is a total ban followed by random, unannounced house-to house searches to keep people from bringing in (or building) more guns.

So the only reason they have to try more of the same ineffective "reasonable restrictions", is not to save lives or make people safer. Their purpose can only be to eventually work their way up to banning and confiscating all guns, since they have long known that lesser measures don't reduce crime or help anyone (except maybe helping criminals commit crimes by disarming the law-abiding for them).

Next time you hear some liberal whining for another "assault weapon" ban or waiting period or etc., you know they aren't trying to help anyone. They have already proved over and over that their schemes produce only failure. Such innocuous-sounding suggestions can only be first steps toward the total gun ban that is their real goal.

Keep it in mind. They will never stop. They will always hope for normal people's vigilance to slip, for their awareness of liberals' perfidy to wander, for a brief moment where they can chalk up another step toward their real goal.
They favor forfeiting liberty for a false sense of security. They do not want personal responsibility. They avoid that one like it's a poisoned lake. They are wired differently. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but in this case absolutely. They feel. We think. Notice in every thread, every argument they pose always goes along the lines of
1. How do you feel about...
2. Feel safe/safer
3. What are your feelings on...

Feelings are irrelevant and often times lead to irrational actions/consequences.
I don't care what people feel. Tell me what you think. Prove to me you can form a cogent statement/argument. Feelings are subjective.

They want the same thing we want, but have a different way of achieving it.

They feel, for example, a field of sheep is best protected by a sign that says, no wolves allowed.
We think, the flock of sheep should be protected by sheep dogs, for a sign isn't stopping anything.

They condemn self defense. "BUT YOU HAVE POLICE AND THE MILITARY FOR THAT!" They want the state/.gov to have superiority over individual liberty.
What's ironic about it is in their next breath, police are trigger happy. Police are racist.
Conveniently skimming over Warren v D.C. Police do not have a duty to protect.
Hence why the Broward Coward isn't being prosecuted for dereliction of duty.

Trump is literally Hitler. And didn't Hitler use police and the military to abuse people of many nations? So much for claiming the intellectual high ground...

There's nothing wrong with defending yourself, your family, your loved ones, your community, your property. Where the anti gun liberals, rinos, and I agree, is folks should not provoke or escalate a situation to have to resort to violence/lethal force.

However, what they fail to understand is, NOBODY has a choice or say in whether they become a victim. They also fail to understand, when seconds matter, help is minutes away. Police are not everywhere at every time. Traffic, congested roads, patrol routes, the arrival time to the scene takes precious minutes.

Take Sandy Hook for example. Did anyone have a say in whether they were going to be viciously slaughtered? No. Absolutely not. So why exactly are they opposed to armed school staff? Why are they opposed to volunteers that would stand guard of every entrance of a school building?

Since my first lock down drill in highschool I've vehemently been opposed to schools being a gun free zone. They said it's "for your safety". Like hell it is.
My safety? If there's an armed murderous psycho in that building, I don't want a wood door with a glass window separating me from that homicidal scumbag, while I'm laying face down on the floor like fish in a barrel for them. I want an armed deterrence present! If anything were to happen to my kids due to a gun free zone, I'm going after those directly responsible for providing the incentive.

Politicians regardless of party, focus on the implement which is why nothing is done to stop nor prevent tragedies from occurring.

Think about it lemmings. Don't feel. Think.
Going after the inanimate object incapable of thought, action, motive, intent, does nothing. Absolutely nothing. All you do by focusing on the implement is further the divide in this nation.
Your issue is false equivalencies and conflation, with an agenda compelled by feeble emotion. Period.

Propose a gun law? I'll oppose it and for good reason. So too will conservatives and blue dog democrats.

This is why nothing is accomplished by either party, because lemmings want to politicize firearm ownership.

If they'd cut the crap and be honest, they would acknowledge it's the individuals who are motivated, the individual who has intent, the gun free zones that provide the incentive, the enabling outliers that further derail honest attempts at stopping it.

Those 3/4 things are the only things that congress, the senate, state legislatures should be focused on! Not the firearms.

I promise the moment a homicidal scumbag decides to descend upon a school, a house of worship, any public gathering area, with an armed deterrence present, and the headlines read "Attempted mass shooter" "Would be shooter"
All it takes is the inconvenient fact that you have a right to defend yourself, your loved ones, your community, your fellow countrymen.

In this country, you have a right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
So why are you so blissfully ignorant in wanting to subvert the right to defend life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?

It makes no sense to me... other than it fits the emotionally compelled agenda of gun control...

All I'm saying is wake up. Stop forfeiting your right to life via attacking the tools of defense. It isn't the .govs job to protect or defend you, your family/loved ones, communities. If it were, you'd see the Broward coward behind bars for dereliction of duty.
Accept that responsibility for yourself. Make the heinous and deranged who want to cause harm, death, and chaos be the ones calling for gun control.

All gun control will do is cause a divide. Liberals and their cohort Rinos, they will call for more gun control.
Blue dog dems, libertarians, and Conservatives, will vehemently oppose gun control measures.

Hence why nothing productive gets done...
They fail to address the individual that committed the atrocity.
They gloss over:
Motive
Incentive
Intent
Enabling outliers.


1. Remove a scumbags incentive.
Women shouldn't fear being a victim walking anywhere. They should be able to overpower a rapist or mugger with a weapon of their choosing.
Schools should not be gun free zones, children should not be a barrel of fish in a school.
Homeowners even people living in rental units houses or apartments should not be subjected to falling prey to a home invader, or theif.
People should not fall victim in a house of worship. Period.

2. Remove a scumbags motive.
The media just loves to stoke the flames of the divide in this nation. Inflammatory reporting and catchy buzzphrases to conjure fear and anger. Fear from the lemmings. Anger from those that know better.
Stop publishing the weapons and tactics used by these scumbags. Do not publish their name. They gain what they want, infamy. Many of the heinous scumbags have admitted to looking back to Columbine and other attacks to see where they went wrong and how to improve on it. That needs to stop.

Again. The moment they're put down like rabid aminals, is the moment they'll stop and become "attempted" which will also remove motive.

3. Intent.
Shrinks should be able to study the heinous without any political bias. Find out what drives them to want to murder wholesale.
Again. The moment they're put down like rabid animals, is the moment they lose intent on wanting to terrorize others. Which is why in another thread, there was expressed concern/outrage over Florida schools wanting mental health history and records of students. Call for more government, get more government, complain how government works...

4. Enabling outliers.
2 examples from Florida.
Pulse scumbag. That scumbag was reported to the FBI by my local gun store. Why wasn't NICS advised to deny when filling out a 4473 for purchase?
Parkland scumbag.
A liberal good feelz policy known as the Promise Program initiated by School Superintendent Runcie and Sheriff Isreal was put into place on the false premise of "ending the school to prison pipeline."
Quote:
“We’re not going to continue to arrest our kids,” he added. “Once you have an arrest record, it becomes difficult to get scholarships, get a job, or go into the military."
Know what else is difficult to get with an arrest record?
Firearms.

Police had been to that scumbags house 33 times in the year leading up to his atrocity. He had assaulted his mother throwing her into a wall. Florida does not take kindly to domestic violence. He was enabled by being protected from catching both a domestic violence charge which bans the purchase of firearms, and from being Baker Acted.
Hence-Enabling outliers.

Really folks, gun owners do not endorse, promote, or want to see innocent lives lost to heinous murderous individuals. It's a tough pill to swallow to come to the understanding we don't promote senseless violence against others. You've been brainwashed to believe we are evil murderous scumbags lying in wait. We aren't. Contrary to what the media and politicians pump into your heads, we don't condone or endorse these heinous atrocities.

You feel your right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is the responsibility of police. Why not supplement the police, in acknowledging the right to keep and bear arms for defending your life liberty and pursuit of happiness? Why discredit self defense? Why attempt feeble emotionally compelled personal insults against those who do believe in self defense? Defense of family/friends/loved ones, communities?

We know better, just like how a drunk driver kills, so too does a heinous individual. Regardless the implement they use.

See the FBI UCR chart below that shows personal weapons- hands fists feet, Knives/cutting instruments, and blunt force objects killed more than rifles. The very rifles you want banned/restricted/legislated against.




And refer to your almighty CDC data to show what the top 10 leading causes of death are in this nation.
Contrary to public opinion. It isn't firearms. You've been mislead to promote a feeble agenda, I'm not sorry to inform you of that.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Democrats up to and including Barack Obama, have praised various nations whose rates of gun deaths have gone down - Japan, Australia, England etc. And they have even expressed a desire to emulate them. Well, guess what: Those are the countries who have almost totally banned guns and even confiscated them. (Mandatory so-called "gun buybacks" are merely forced confiscation where taxpayers are also forced to subsidize you).
The countries you mention such as the UK never had the same gun culture at the US, and most gun owners were always ad continue to be farmers, gamekeepers and people in rural areas.

In terms of self defence there never were laws such as concealed carry or the castle doctrine/stand your ground, and you couldn't carry weapons in public to start with, whilst in terms of self defence in most countries you are allowed to use reasonable force.

America is the exception rather than the rule when it comes to global gun laws as a whole.


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Old 11-06-2018, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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VITAL TO DISARM
=\=\=\=\=\=\=
You can never have an efficient totalitarian police state, when it has to be “benevolent” and fearful of millions of armed citizens. And you can’t disarm millions of armed citizens when they won’t tell you where the arms are. And you can’t arrest them until you criminalize their disobedience to “reasonable” gun restrictions and “common sense” registration. And you can’t tolerate their belief that they have an “endowed right” to self defense against tyranny, that supersedes your political power of the bigger gun.
• An Armed Populace Fears No Government.
• A Disarmed Populace Fears All Government.
What a load of hooey. As if a few firearms in gun closets would ever stop the DoD from coming into your house or your community, if for some reason an authoritarian government decided to institute martial law, and they wanted to do so. This is nothing more or less than a fantasy.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:27 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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VITAL TO DISARM
=\=\=\=\=\=\=
You can never have an efficient totalitarian police state, when it has to be “benevolent” and fearful of millions of armed citizens. And you can’t disarm millions of armed citizens when they won’t tell you where the arms are. And you can’t arrest them until you criminalize their disobedience to “reasonable” gun restrictions and “common sense” registration. And you can’t tolerate their belief that they have an “endowed right” to self defense against tyranny, that supersedes your political power of the bigger gun.
• An Armed Populace Fears No Government.
• A Disarmed Populace Fears All Government.
Bovine scatterings. One US Army helicopter will run out of ammo, not targets long before it is hit a single time from the entire populace wielding AR15s.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:42 AM
 
Location: PSL
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What a load of hooey. As if a few firearms in gun closets would ever stop the DoD from coming into your house or your community, if for some reason an authoritarian government decided to institute martial law, and they wanted to do so. This is nothing more or less than a fantasy.
Randy Weaver from the Ruby Ridge boondoggle says you're wrong. So do those that went out in support of the Bundy ranchers... Janet Reno weaponized federal bureaucracies against American people. Holder ran firearms to Mexico.

Hurricane Katrina survivors who owned firearms for self defense, who remained after the storm were subject to search and seizure of the means of defending themselves and their property.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=PKkUG1F2JiI

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Bovine scatterings. One US Army helicopter will run out of ammo, not targets long before it is hit a single time from the entire populace wielding AR15s.
Remember one thing.
Drones. A10s. Apache attack choppers. Cobra gunships. Hueys/Blackhawks fitted with hellfires and miniguns.

They're all tools of destruction. Not enforcement.

Consider this.

What does the .gov gain by destroying billions/trillions in infrastructure on its homeland? Nothing.

Enforcement is teams of boots on the ground kicking down doors and performing search and seizure.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why do you say that only laws that are 100% effective "work"?

No one else here has said that, and they certainly don't believe it.

When did you first come to believe that only laws that are 100% effective "work"?

Or... are you one of the liberals who says that since even if normal Americans are allowed to carry, there will still be a few criminals who commit crimes? And then use that as a excuse to not allow normal Americans to carry?
The title of this thread is "Waiting periods, bans...don't work" only confiscation will work.


So how did the op come to the conclusion that they don't work.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:30 AM
 
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The goal is not to actually go out and confiscate guns...they are attempting to pull it off so people WILLINGLY hand over their guns and accept being disarmed.
Best post on the subject.

This will end up being a cultural battle, with the hope of the anti-gun people being that the gun owner will be fired from their job, lose their house, get a lower credit score, be harassed, etc in order that all the other gun owners either willingly surrender their firearms and "repent", or go underground and never speak of guns in any way that runs counter to the new narrative.

Leviathan is entirely too outgunned at this point, so there would never be a door to door confiscation thing. But they have all sorts of ways to force compliance without ever even knocking on the door. Using the wildly unconstitutional power of the IRS against a person until they comply? The No Fly and Terror Watch Lists, preventing free movement? Stripping the passport? Garnished wages? Oh no, they have tons of non-confrontational ways to make you surrender willingly.

And whether the anti-gun tyrants know it or not, once Leviathan gets those weapons, they aren't going to somehow satisfied all of a sudden. They'll decide on something else and come for that next, and when they do, it will be much more forceful and severe, because now they have noting to fear from their own citizens.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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The title of this thread is "Waiting periods, bans...don't work" only confiscation will work.

So how did the op come to the conclusion that they don't work.
The OP needed to spread the lie that "Democrats are coming for your guns" in order to advance his/her political agenda, so that posted a highly-questionable factual assertion to force that conclusion. Nothing more.

Yes, OP, they are coming for your guns. Best to start gathering canned goods and fortifying yourself now. Don't worry - the rest of society can and will function without you. You will not be missed.
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Old 11-06-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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Best post on the subject.

This will end up being a cultural battle, with the hope of the anti-gun people being that the gun owner will be fired from their job, lose their house, get a lower credit score, be harassed, etc in order that all the other gun owners either willingly surrender their firearms and "repent", or go underground and never speak of guns in any way that runs counter to the new narrative.

Leviathan is entirely too outgunned at this point, so there would never be a door to door confiscation thing. But they have all sorts of ways to force compliance without ever even knocking on the door. Using the wildly unconstitutional power of the IRS against a person until they comply? The No Fly and Terror Watch Lists, preventing free movement? Stripping the passport? Garnished wages? Oh no, they have tons of non-confrontational ways to make you surrender willingly.

And whether the anti-gun tyrants know it or not, once Leviathan gets those weapons, they aren't going to somehow satisfied all of a sudden. They'll decide on something else and come for that next, and when they do, it will be much more forceful and severe, because now they have noting to fear from their own citizens.

When are you guys going to realize that no one in the "leviathan" is afraid of you? It's your neighbors who are afraid of your conspiracy theory paranoia and fetishistic arsenal, not the guy running Goldman Sachs. Not the defense contractors. You are preparing for a war that isn't coming, while the 1% continue to gather more and more wealth. You won the war on keeping your guns when nothing happened after Sandy Hook. The "leviathan" has won the war on owning everything. I don't think they'd swap places with you. And whats worse, you've bought into their racist and cultural "divide and conquer" propaganda. You think your enemy are some college kids in masks and "welfare queens"? You think those are the people making your quality of life diminish?
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