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Old 02-20-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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Statistical significance is a quantitative measure of an event's correlation to some other factor, not some shoot-from-the-hip qualitative opinion of that event's frequency.


Maybe ppl ought not go around using terms like "statistical significance" when they don't know anything about statistics.
So there are 330 million Americans and something like 600,000,000 guns.

There's less than 200 deaths per year due to school shootings (hard to find an actual number).

That would be 200/330,000,000 or 0.00006% (in other words statistically insignificant).

Or is 0.00006% somehow statistically significant on your planet?


What IS statistically significant is that we have a small minority of Americans committing 52.5% of all homicides in America. That's insane!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a...tates#Homicide

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According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of African Americans victims were killed by African Americans.[43][44][45]
In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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And there you go. There was an attempt to fund research to be conducted by the CDC on what drives mass murderers. The NRA effectively lobbied it down. Their fear was that is could be biased against guns. It is called the Dickey amendment named after a GOP Rep named Dickey who now wishes he never got it enacted.
No shortage of FBI profilers and independent mental health experts dedicate their careers to the study of mass shooters. While no two shooters are the same, they typically share common personality disturbances of anti- social, narcissistic and sadistic traits and a strong desire for notoriety.

Most have a demonstrated obsession with guns and mass shooters who came before. There is also a strong tendency to idolize the military.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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America has a small minority that commits a large percentage of homicides. Take them out of the stats and Americas has violent crime rates consistent with the rest of the western world.

Just compare the highlighted numbers below.

In America, we don't discriminate. We don't punish everyone in a group (gun owners) for the poor behavior of a small minority (criminal gun owners). Just like we don't punish all Muslims for the acts of some radical Muslim terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a...tates#Homicide


Homicide


According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of African Americans victims were killed by African Americans.[43][44][45]
In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%[46][47]

Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 was:

0.01% of Black or African American population (4,379/38,929,319)
0.0017% of White American and Hispanic American population (3,799/223,553,265)
0.0033% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/2,932,248)
0.0007% of Asian American population (101/14,674,252)
0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/540,013).[46][48]
Those stats don't hold up in mass shootings, especially the most spectacular mass shootings.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Millions of people own guns all over the world. The number of them who morph into mass shooters is statistically insignificant.
Yep. Made that point in a prior post.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:08 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I tried to make sure to get a decent number of sites so no one could really claim that I'm being biased here.


https://www.motherjones.com/politics...mass-shooters/






Nearly one-third of the world’s mass shootings have occurred in the United States, a new study finds. Adam Lankford, an associate professor of criminal justice at the University of Alabama, has released the first quantitative analysis of public mass shootings around the world between 1966 through 2012. Unsurprisingly, the United States came out on top—essentially in a league of its own.




https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/ameri...ics/index.html




On Wednesday, Nikolas Cruz, 19, arrived at the halls of his former school in Parkland, Florida. Armed with a rifle, he allegedly carried out a massacre that left 17 people dead.
In October 2017, 64-year-old gunman Stephen Paddock fired into crowds gathered at the Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas. Fifty-eight people were killed and more than 500 people were injured. It was the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history.


In 2016, an attack at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando left 49 people dead. In 2012, Adam Lanza went on a shooting spree in Newtown, Connecticut, killing his mother before murdering 26 students and staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School; in 2007, 32 people were killed in the Virginia Tech massacre.












Is Barack Obama correct that mass killings don't happen in other countries? | PolitiFact


The White House argues that Obama's second sentence qualifies the first, and added that PunditFact rated Mostly True the claim that "Americans are 20 times as likely to die from gun violence as citizens of other civilized countries." However, that claim refers to gun violence generally, not mass killings specifically, the topic of Obama's comment.

Why?
Don't tread on me!
I may be armed.

Bullies, idiots and evil gets culled one way or another.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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Those stats don't hold up in mass shootings, especially the most spectacular mass shootings.

I agree, but the title of this thread is "why so many shootings in the USA vs the rest of the world".

Too many people point the finger at the accessibility of guns in the USA, but when you look a bit closer at the data we have a statistical anomaly skewing those results.

School shooting and/or mass shootings in general are just a small drop in the bucket in the overall homicide rate in the USA.

It's disgusting that liberals use these tragedies to further their political agenda.

If it were about saving lives, then we need to address the biggest culprit first. But it's not about saving lives (reducing the overall homicide rate), but rather using peoples emotions to further a political agenda (disarming America).
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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There is no universal definition of mental illness.

The trend away from institutionalizing the " mentally ill" is global.

States have the ability to temporarily detain an individual for " observation for X hours when it appears they may pose a threat to themselves or others. Observation is not a diagnosis. Rarely do such temporary detentions result in a court order to extend the observation.

Highly unlikely, Cruz' public defender will be successful in persuading the court his/ her client is mentally incompetent. That option went out the window when Cruz dropped his gun and ran out of the school with all the other students. He knew the diff between right and wrong.

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Old 02-20-2018, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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Many Americans are nuts, and becoming increasingly angry, polarized, and idiotic. Also, the country's becoming increasingly unstable and unlike its founding. The more we drift from our roots, the more we slide towards oblivion. It's watching a sinking ship from on deck.
Americans have always been nuts. There’s nothing new under the sun.

The first Americans were religious nuts (remember the Salem Witch Trials?). After the founding, huge numbers of religious nuts came here where they could practice their nuttery without state interference (freedom of religion). And of course, we have our own home-grown religious nuttery (Mormonism, Christian Science, Scientology, etc.)

Thank you, Founding Fathers, for “freedom of religion.” Thanks to you, every nutty religious group from Europe came here, making us one the only first world country where religion is still dominant. I suspect that the results are not what you intended.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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So there are 330 million Americans and something like 600,000,000 guns.

There's less than 200 deaths per year due to school shootings (hard to find an actual number).

That would be 200/330,000,000 or 0.00006% (in other words statistically insignificant).

Or is 0.00006% somehow statistically significant on your planet?



What IS statistically significant is that we have a small minority of Americans committing 52.5% of all homicides in America. That's insane!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a...tates#Homicide

Lol. You should have googled "statistically significant" before using it.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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No he was mentally ill. That is why he did the shooting. He had a diagnosis of Bipolar and depression or something. He had been in several medications.


Mental illness is a chemical imbalance and is genetic. In the future we could start screening the mentally ill and rendering them sterile so mental illness is not passed to the off-spring. The mass shooting problem is entirely caused y the mentally ill.
There is a component of genetics associated with some mental illness. No doubt we hall have a " raving lunatic" in our genetic history. Genetics is not however the only or even primary cause of mental illness.

What objective criteria could be used to screen/ evaluate people for mental illness to determine who should be sterilized?

The state investigated Cruz in 2016 when his school became aware of an online video he posted of himself while cutting his arms/ expressing a desire to buy a gun as well as a Nazi symbol and racist hate speech on his backpack. His adoptive mother disclosed his depression, being on the autism spectrum and AHAD. She had taken his air rifle away from him because he targeted rodents in the back yard.

He was recieving professional treatment and was compliant with his medications. The state closed the case.

There was no basis to seek a court order to declare him mentally defective, let alone institutionalize him.
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