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Old 04-12-2018, 04:32 AM
 
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Coal, oil, and natural gas are not unlimited. They are by-products of dead animals and vegetation. They WILL be used up.

Wind, wave, possibly thermal and most certainly the sun are our best long term energy source. Their limitations will be our own. We have no choice.

Comments like "there is a 100 year supply of fossil fuel available here or there" reminds me of a person in a sinking ship trying to find the last pocket of air in hopes they will be able to breath a little bit longer. They will inevitably drown.
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Old 04-12-2018, 04:53 AM
 
Location: USA
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Coal is up 12% since Trump became President.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c66e465807e8
Please don't confuse the anti Trump fascists with facts. That being said, the U.S. is awash in Natural Gas, and Oil which is competing with coal. We have centuries of domestic supply, at least. This is a RENEWABLE, SUSTAINABLE resource it is so abundant.

We are exporting a lot of our coal to China which creates jobs, and helps our Trade Deficit. Win/Win.

Just one huge oil find of many recent discoveries.

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An overlooked corner of West Texas is believed to contain billions of barrels of newly-discovered shale oil.
Apache (APA) revealed the huge find this week after more than two years of stealthily buying up land, extensive geological research and rigorous testing.

The Houston company estimates the discovery, dubbed "Alpine High," could be worth at least $8 billion.
Apache believes the new shale play spans at least five formations, contains over three billion barrels of oil and 75 trillion cubic feet of rich natural gas.
"We feel very confident with what we have and believe this is a story that's only going to get better," Apache CEO John Christmann IV told CNNMoney.

Wall Street is already seeing dollar signs, sending Apache's stock price surging 10% in the two trading days since the find was unveiled.
"The play has the potential to be a transformative event for the company," Raymond James analyst John Freeman wrote in a research report. "Apache sees an incredible opportunity to establish the next big resource play in the U.S."
From that bastion of conservatism, CNN.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/08/inve...ery/index.html
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Old 04-12-2018, 04:57 AM
 
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Coal, oil, and natural gas are not unlimited. They are by-products of dead animals and vegetation. They WILL be used up.

Wind, wave, possibly thermal and most certainly the sun are our best long term energy source. Their limitations will be our own. We have no choice.

Comments like "there is a 100 year supply of fossil fuel available here or there" reminds me of a person in a sinking ship trying to find the last pocket of air in hopes they will be able to breath a little bit longer. They will inevitably drown.
Of course, you are TOTALLY WRONG as usual. See my previous post.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:09 AM
 
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Even the Chinese are quitting coal. We really want to go back to the 50s?
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:18 AM
 
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Of course, you are TOTALLY WRONG as usual. See my previous post.
Funny.


BP's reserve estimate is 1,687.9 billion barrels, which is enough oil to last the world 53.3 years at the current production rates.

That's about 31 billion barrels a year.

In 2017, the United States consumed a total of 7.26 billion barrels of petroleum products, an average of about 19.88 million barrels per day.

Good luck with the 3 billion found in Texas. Not to mention its in shale, has to be fracked and steamed to recover which increases cost.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:28 AM
 
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Texas, Alaska, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Louisiana, OFFSHORE RESOURCES, and many more locations have available, and accessible HUGE deposits of OIL, and NATURAL GAS. That is the future. Not wind, and solar which can't efficiently produce anywhere near the world's energy needs.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/how-...-state-produce
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Even the Chinese are quitting coal. We really want to go back to the 50s?
Absolutely true. The undeniable truth is that Donald Trump sold these poor coal miners a bill of goods, and they fell for it, and I can understand how they would do that. Coal has been their lifeblood forever, just like steel was to people who lived in steel towns. They can't understand how something that was so profitable at one time is now dead, or at least dying.

It is also possible that Trump actually believed he could resurrect the coal industry, because, as we see every day, he does not exactly have a deep grasp of where we are in the world in 2018. He lives in 1950, and the rest of the world is moving on without us.

Coal is never coming back, it might still have a few areas that consume it, but those are drying up also. Coal is a dirty, filthy energy source and does nothing for our planet except damage it.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:41 AM
 
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Texas, Alaska, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Louisiana, OFFSHORE RESOURCES, and many more locations have available, and accessible HUGE deposits of OIL, and NATURAL GAS. That is the future. Not wind, and solar which can't efficiently produce anywhere near the world's energy needs.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/how-...-state-produce
So we are back to about 100 years supply when you add BP's 50+ years.

We will be dead and gone and that's all that matters, right?

Our children grand children will just have to figure it out for themselves.

Heaven forbid that the "world's energy needs" be addressed. We certainly should not learn how to live more efficiently. We should continue conspicuous consumption and devour every thing in sight with zero emphasis on conservation.

I learned a lesson as a child. The squirrel that put up nuts for the winter lived. The squirrel that ate every thing in sight ended up starving to death. The moral is to plan ahead, be frugal. I know its pretty basic and hard for some people to understand but it fundamentally a lesson from nature. Its hard to learn from nature while you are bull dozing and drilling holes in it.

Peace out
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:50 AM
 
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Coal mines that have been shuttered for 6 or 7 decades are still spewing mine acid into our rivers and streams. Trout stocking has been cancelled in this creek. The gift that keeps on giving.

Mine drainage means no trout stocking this year in Turtle Creek | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:57 AM
 
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Coal mines that have been shuttered for 6 or 7 decades are still spewing mine acid into our rivers and streams. Trout stocking has been cancelled in this creek. The gift that keeps on giving.

Mine drainage means no trout stocking this year in Turtle Creek | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

I grew up near the steel towns and coal towns in Pittsburgh. Everything was BLACK and bleak in the 50's and 60's. There were no fish in the river, except catfish, and they were so oily and smelly that you couldn't eat them. The coal towns were covered with black dust, and the people were all suffering from one ailment or another.

Turtle Creek was one of the towns we lived near for a while, and the banks of the river were orange from iron and other pollutants.

Anyone who wants that kind of environment again has no idea what they are asking for.
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