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Old 02-20-2018, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
yes...

why wont liberals allow mental illness to be addressed???



the ''blame'' spreads out to a lot of places...and its not the guns

the schools for not reporting this nutjob
the parents for not reporting this nutjob
the peers for not reporting this nutjob
the doctors for not reporting this nutjob
the local police for not reporting this nutjob
the fbi for not acting on any reports of this nutjob



but that is just the problem....we wont address mental illness..the real problem

this kid made threats against the school and his peers...... that should be a major red flag.... yet if we say something, we are looked upon as the nutjobs that have something against the "poor innocent youth"
So fund it. Pass legislation to fund it.
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
yes...

why wont liberals allow mental illness to be addressed???



the ''blame'' spreads out to a lot of places...and its not the guns

the schools for not reporting this nutjob
the parents for not reporting this nutjob
the peers for not reporting this nutjob
the doctors for not reporting this nutjob
the local police for not reporting this nutjob
the fbi for not acting on any reports of this nutjob



but that is just the problem....we wont address mental illness..the real problem

this kid made threats against the school and his peers...... that should be a major red flag.... yet if we say something, we are looked upon as the nutjobs that have something against the "poor innocent youth"
Itís not liberals that stop the ability of investigators to check out patients with mental illness for gun ownership. Itís the privacy laws, the same ones that prevent your boss from looking at your medical record and figuring they donít want to keep you as an employee.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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trump just directed AG to write regs banning gun stocks and any other device that could turn a gun into a machine gun. What will his base do without their machine guns??
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:02 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Oh don't get hysterical. Sheesh.
Hysterical. Read some of the responses just in this thread.

Plus, the pattern I described has played out, in fits and starts, in my state of Maryland.

AR platforms were severely restricted several years ago (after small caliber handguns were banned about 20 years ago).

The very next legislative session several Delgates dropped a bill, and every succeeding year since, to place the same limits on semiautomatic and pump rifles and shotguns as were placed on AR style platforms. It hasn't made it out of Committee yet but every year comes closer. Something like 99% of bills coming out of Committee go on to be passed by the Legislature.

So, it's not hysterical but very possible.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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trump just directed AG to write regs banning gun stocks and any other device that could turn a gun into a machine gun. What will his base do without their machine guns??
Nothing. Only a few have machine guns, and they are registered via ATF prior to 1986.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Canada
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In most other countries, AR-15 rifles are allowed. You are just required to be part of club who competes with AR-15 rifles.

These clubs are self vetting. So the person has to join a club, attend a few months to a year. Then he has to apply to the police, the club signs the application and basically says this person is sane and serious enough to own a AR-15/military rifle, and the police approves.
The above suggestion on it's face is disingenuous! Since I can only speak about Canada, I will quote just WHAT regulations apply to AR-15's not to mention any semi-automatic weapons !!

10 Best Countries for Gun Owners - Guns & Ammo
6. Canada

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The Good: Canada’s hunting and sport-shooting traditions continue, despite the many successes of its anti-gun lobby. In 1995 the country required every gun to be registered in a federal database, but the scheme was famously disastrous and ceased operation in 2012.

The Bad:
Canada has outright bans on pistols with barrel lengths under 4.1 inches, semi-auto rifle magazines holding more than 5 rounds and semiautomatic pistol magazines holding more than 10 rounds. Pistols with barrel lengths exceeding 4.1 inches, long guns with an overall length under 26 inches and semi-auto rifles with barrels under 18 Ĺ inches (i.e. AR-15 variants) can only be shot at firearms ranges and require a special license. All gun ownership requires a “possession and acquisition license.” Canada’s storage requirements include provisions that the guns be unloaded and rendered inoperable or locked. Forget using them for self-defense.

Rate of Ownership: 23.8 percent

Allows semiautomatic rifles? Technically, yes, though the right is severely restricted.

Concealed or open carry? Prohibited.

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I have not seen a single solution from anti gunners, except ban guns.
Maybe read above ^^^ to explain ( ban is not the ONLY ANSWER which negates the NRA's constant suggestion "Slippery Slope" False Narrative repeated by " Gun Huggers" ) BUT, REG-U-LA-TIONS that actually make these AR-15's controlled/ registered/ and restricted especially "Magazines" that allow such mass destruction by such weaponry DOES MAKE A Difference !!
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Nothing. Only a few have machine guns, and they are registered via ATF prior to 1986.
trump's ban is on bump stocks and any other device that could turn a semi into a machine gun.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:09 PM
 
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trump's ban is on bump stocks and any other device that could turn a semi into a machine gun.
Bump stock is a ghey little device that is nothing remotely close to a true auto or 3 round burst. You have to shoot one to understand. Its a worthless toy.I dont care about the Vegas shooter using it, he was basically shooting out of a window into a barrel of fish..
And the reality is, Trump could ban all but one rifle and the left would want that too.
I say ban all special security details funded by us TAXPAYERS, except for the Potus and Vice POTUS. See if Nancy will feel safe without Armed Mercenaries protecting her.
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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Okay, now do that in a way that won't infringe on the Supreme Court's definition of the 2nd Amendment and get it to work across thousands of firearms designs and on 300 million guns.

While you're at it, get me a flying car and a vacation on Mars... it's the future and I was supposed to be able to do that stuff by now.
And I want a flying pig.
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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So... again, you have no ideas to fix the issue of gun violence. Just "let's wait for the next shooting and then punish the shooter (assuming they don't commit suicide)." Meanwhile, you have dozens dead. Again, you're more worried about yourself than others.



I never said remove all guns. I've said this multiple times. Allow any single-shot manually reloaded weapon to be sold to any citizens to appease the 2nd amendment. When that 250 year old document was written, a gun took somewhere between 20-30 seconds to reload. You're not going to be able to go kill dozens of people if it takes 20-30 seconds to reload. A modern single shot weapon might take what, 5 seconds or so to reload by placing a bullet in the chamber manually after each shot? Seems like a fair compromise.

Anything that is more than a single shot weapon must go through a rigorous training process along with require yearly physical and mental health checks. Make the process similar to how pilots get their license. $3-4,000 with hours of training and course instruction.

A setup like this still allows for hunting or target practice along with basic self-defense. It would also mean that those who really want a semi-automatic weapon are accounted for. If you really have nothing to hide, what's the issue with going to the doctor each year to maintain your firearm licence?
Hold the parents responsible for the actions of their offspring.
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