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Old 03-01-2018, 08:43 PM
 
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Please. You do not ban the AR-15. You ban all auto loading devices which meet certain specs. If you really want to do it right you ban all self loaders. That still leaves lots of weapons but gets rid of all those suited to rapid fire. And an all out ban is not needed. You can allow people to buy and possess auto loaded devices where they have a demonstrated need.

I would also think you go after all weapons with removable magazines.

At that point you have enough stuff left to take care of self protection, hunting and sports shooting.
But you have made it much more difficult to shoot 58 people from a hotel window.

Will it stop gun deaths in the US? Of course not. But it may cut it in half or more over time.
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Agreed!

Americans have been brainwashed by the NRA. Consequently, we've become far too damned gun crazy!

Let the military and LE officers have the semi-automatics and automatics. All the average American citizen needs is basic home protection.

Nobody should be casually walking around in public carrying a loaded firearm. We also shouldn't be allowed to have loaded firearms in our vehicles unless we're transporting them.

Lever, bolt, and pump-action long guns are sufficient for both hunting and home protection. Revolvers are more dependable than semi-automatic handguns and safer too!

They shouldn't come for your guns unless you're a member, affiliate, or sympathizer of a terrorist organization.

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Old 03-01-2018, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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First, that's semiautomatic guns and accounts for about 90% of guns which is, in almost any measure, a ban of guns. Second, demonstrated need??? How about you provide me with a demonstrated need to vote. After all, voting for the wrong person can be dangerous. Can even lead to peoples' deaths. I'm sure you would agree to that common sense regulation, right?
Semi autos are less than half the US weapon inventory. And many will be replaced. So what really will happen is the gun nuts who collect these things will have to give up part of their collection or justify them.

We license drivers. Gun owners would be a lesser problem. Hard to kill someone with a ballot.
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:04 PM
 
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Semi autos are less than half the US weapon inventory. And many will be replaced. So what really will happen is the gun nuts who collect these things will have to give up part of their collection or justify them.

We license drivers. Gun owners would be a lesser problem. Hard to kill someone with a ballot.
Assinine. There is literally zero chance of some sort of justification process. You are just making things up because you like to hear yourself talk...or type in this case.
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Semi autos are less than half the US weapon inventory. And many will be replaced. So what really will happen is the gun nuts who collect these things will have to give up part of their collection or justify them.

We license drivers. Gun owners would be a lesser problem. Hard to kill someone with a ballot.
You don't have a right to drive. I do have a right to own a gun, one of common use as SCOTUS ruled. Semi automatic is in common use in case you didn't know. Of course you can kill someone with a ballot - war ring a bell? Or even better military actions like Vietnam which didn't require Congressional approval. People died. Those Kennedy voters have blood on their hands, right?
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:08 PM
 
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Confiscation of guns without due process (hearing 30 days later is not due process) IS intrusive. It's violating someone's right - you know - that 2nd one.
Unlike healthcare, owning a firearm should be a privilege and NOT a right.

Abolish the 2nd Amendment and the damned NRA too!

Unfortunately, the genie is already out of bottle!

Even if we could confiscate all the semi-automatic and automatic firearms, there would still be far too many other firearms in the public to prevent many murders and robberies. It's just plain out of control!
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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Unlike healthcare, owning a firearm should be a privilege and NOT a right.

Abolish the 2nd Amendment and the damned NRA too!

Unfortunately, the genie is already out of bottle!

Even if we could confiscate all the semi-automatic and automatic firearms, there would still be far too many other firearms in the public to prevent many murders and robberies. It's just plain out of control!
Geez, I didn't realize Bernie Sanders had a CD account.
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:35 PM
 
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Geez, I didn't realize Bernie Sanders had a CD account.
Yep! A CD account, a .357 Dan Wesson, and full coverage.

Exactly the same things every American should have!
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Unlike healthcare, owning a firearm should be a privilege and NOT a right.

Abolish the 2nd Amendment and the damned NRA too!

Unfortunately, the genie is already out of bottle!

Even if we could confiscate all the semi-automatic and automatic firearms, there would still be far too many other firearms in the public to prevent many murders and robberies. It's just plain out of control!
Good luck on that abolishing the 2nd amendment. What do you need - 38 states to ratify even on top of the 2/3 of Congress? You have a better chance of winning the lottery or immigration to one of those countries where you don't have the right to self protection. Let me know how that works out.
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Good luck on that abolishing the 2nd amendment. What do you need - 38 states to ratify even on top of the 2/3 of Congress? You have a better chance of winning the lottery or immigration to one of those countries where you don't have the right to self protection. Let me know how that works out.
Already been abolished. The USSC in Heller. They held it does not mean what it says. That takes care of the second. We are now arguing about how it will be misinterpreted.
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Already been abolished. The USSC in Heller. They held it does not mean what it says. That takes care of the second. We are now arguing about how it will be misinterpreted.
Good lord, what kind of mental gymnastics did that take? Actually SCOTUS ruled, appropriately, the 2nd did apply to individual ownership. So yes, they were able to properly employ reading comprehension. In other words - affirmed what the 2nd has always said since the day it was written.
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