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Old 03-08-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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I saw a very funny political cartoon on the 2nd Amendment and Gun owners rights today. A mule( democrat party) is wearing a " I support The Second Amendment" t shirt and he's talking to a man who is also wearing a " I support the 2nd Amendment " t shirt. The donkey says to the man" I support the 2nd amendment too, we're not taking your rights away."
The difference is, the mule has a t shirt with a musket and powder horn emblem and the man has a t shirt with an AR 15 emblem.
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Old 03-08-2018, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Maybe. But... I don't know... can you honestly say your way is working? I mean... 49x more shootings than the next developed country? Really, that is sustainable?
Actually statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings than we do.
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Old 03-08-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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How about you get out of my country then and form your own. Ever think about it like that?

I'm going to work for and vote for change with more restrictions and more gun control in this nation. If you don't like that, then you can get out
You just admitted trying to CHANGE my country into yours...
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:20 PM
 
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It amazes me that intelligent people believe that disarming themselves will stop predators from preying on them. Guns aren't the problem. Predators are.
I agree with you and the truth is that guns are necessary in America. Not everyone needs them, of course. But if you work at night in a liquor store, carry a cash payroll, operate a high volume business, live in an inner city, live far from town or are in one of a million other situations, you need a gun in America. Most of the people who own them, need them. They haven’t taken money out of their pockets and spent them on a lump of iron because they are crazy. They have done so because in their violent society, guns are often necessary.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Full auto rifles are still legal. They are just terribly expensive, and you need a Class III license. Also weapons can get stolen from military, or police armories. They aren't the problem either. Most crime where criminal use a firearm, and hand gun is used. Less than 2% of deaths are someone using a rifle.

You can't legislate sanity, nor can you legislate 100% safety, and security. If you want a free society, there is going to be some risks. Freedom isn't free. There are ways to further mitigate the risk by arming qualified people in schools, and having better security.

To ban common use firearms like semi auto rifles, etc there needs to be a Constitutional amendment.
So instead of addressing our gun problem the best solution is to harden all our schools? Florida’s solution is misguided, raise the age to 21, 3 day waiting period, $400B on schools. This does not come close to addressing the issue.

No there does not need to be a constitutional amendment to ban semi auto weapons just some courage.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Isn't it interesting how so many ignore where fertilizer was used in Oklahoma City.
10,000 people a year murdered by guns, how many killed by fertilizer.
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Old 03-08-2018, 11:51 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The question of assault weapon restrictions or bans (semi auto or what ever is finally defined in law) has never been adequately framed. That is the point of the NRA's constant barrage and brain washing efforts...to keep the question and issue from being defined in an actionable way. Gun advocates are scared witless by the unfounded claims and rhetoric of the NRA. The gun opponents are in the majority but have never been able to come together on a strategy. Some want a complete repeal of the 2nd amendment. Some want a just a ban on assault rifles and nothing more. Some of those folks are gun owners and hunters and have a rational opposing position on assault weapons. Some folks want tighter controls on sale and possession and a ban on gun show sales or private sales. The confusion of strategies is not helpful but if the opposition ever gets its act together it will steamroll the gun lobby and the NRA...and they know it. The recent Florida school shooting has moved things further than previous events and the frightened NRA is calling in favors and increasing the volume of its foolish claims on mental health, free-lance gun-toting heroes, and imagined bad guys in the bushes. Thanks to the NRA, the killing goes on.
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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People who have endowed rights need no government permission.
People who have no rights need government permission.
No elected official, democratic majority or agency can violate endowed rights.
Do you know how and when you consented to be governed and waived your endowed rights to life, and the right to defend that life with any weapon you deem necessary?
" PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or Natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.
Abolishing liberty to "prevent crime" is a crime.
No government instituted to secure creator endowed rights can infringe upon them.

(FWIW : the NRA does not take the position that bearing arms is an endowed right. That is why they compromise and capitulate to the gun-grabbers.)
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:14 AM
 
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Actually statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings than we do.
Not True.
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Old 03-09-2018, 05:15 AM
 
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They will pretty soon. Some already can. They still have their First Amendment rights in the meantime
Stay focused. We are talking about BELOW 18 years of age.
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