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Would a pistol (a relatively small one at that) be enough to confront someone with an AR-15?
There's nothing magical about the AR15, it still requires someone to aim and pull the trigger no different than any other rifle.
Would an unarmed teacher be enough to confront someone with an AR-15? Clearly not. Only hits count, a pistol is far better than nothing, look into what Alvin York accomplished with his pistol. Run of the mill police successfully confront people with rifles, not in Coward County Florida but in other places, when they don't have time to call in SWAT.
I posted on another thread about my 6th grade teacher who in the midst of a serious breakdown in front of the class, withdrew a pistol from her purse and layed it on her desk.
The class froze and watched it unfold.
Instead of shooting, she eventually got up and propelled her head through a glass window in the door. Nuns escorted the class into the adjoining church and told us to pray for Miss LL. Parents were never notified.
Most teachers do not want to be responsible for what might happen if they carried a gun around when at work. If you have ever been a teacher, you'd know what it's like in a classroom of 25-30 kids. You have to try to control the class, there is friction and anger and the kids can be verbally abusive. How long would it take before a teacher with a gun would just snap and use it on a kid!
And there are a lot of kids who would try to grab the gun from the teacher, kids who are not there to learn. Too much chance that the gun would get into the wrong hands. Then there's the chaos that would develop if people started shooting guns and kids got caught in the crossfire.
I could go on and on but the bottom line is, we have to prevent violence in the first place. Be smart and make sure it doesn't happen instead of thinking up more excuses for people to carry guns.
There's nothing magical about the AR15, it still requires someone to aim and pull the trigger no different than any other rifle.
Would an unarmed teacher be enough to confront someone with an AR-15? Clearly not. Only hits count, a pistol is far better than nothing, look into what Alvin York accomplished with his pistol. Run of the mill police successfully confront people with rifles, not in Coward County Florida but in other places, when they don't have time to call in SWAT.
You can usually tell when somebody is completely ignorant on firearms with comments like that. Hell, any of these people can youtube .223 and 9mm ballistics gel to compare the damage of different types of rounds from different firearms.
I'll say what should be obvious. Every month we read about a teacher beating a student. Classroom rage. I get it. Some kids are completely out of control. Do we want teachers armed? How do we select which teachers should be armed? Just because someone is a teacher doesn't meant that they are stable.
No to arming the classrooms.
Raise the legal age of gun ownership to 21.
Magazine limits are not a bad thing. If you can't have fun plinking with 10 round mags I am sad for you.
There's nothing magical about the AR15, it still requires someone to aim and pull the trigger no different than any other rifle.
Would an unarmed teacher be enough to confront someone with an AR-15? Clearly not. Only hits count, a pistol is far better than nothing, look into what Alvin York accomplished with his pistol. Run of the mill police successfully confront people with rifles, not in Coward County Florida but in other places, when they don't have time to call in SWAT.
Come on now. There is no way in this world you can equate others (in fact, almost anyone) to someone like Alvin York.
And from what I've read the AR-15 has much more firepower than a small pistol would. At least, isn't that what others have been posting?
If cops won't go inside school during an assault, then what makes anyone think teachers could do better confronting a shooter...??
The fact that you are talking about this rather than actual solution (gun <cough> control <cough, cough>) means that the purpose of raising such a stupid idea was achieved.
I know a lot of women that carry. They don't seem to have any more of an issue getting comfortable with it than any man does. Women are every bit as capable of mastering a firearm and using it to defend themselves as any man is. It is far more important for a woman to be able to do so since most women are a good bit smaller than most men and far less able to physically stop an attack. Women make up the fastest growing group of handgun owners, and honestly seem to become proficient more quickly than many men do.
As far as "being asked questions about their gun", I suspect that you are right-there will be come curiosity for a couple days. But I expect that it will be dealt with as the new normal quite quickly. And I think you will find that students will appreciate knowing that they have a teacher that is committed from preventing their students being defenseless victims led to a slaughter. How long did it take for students to adapt to having armed resource officers in schools that have them?
Sure there are women who shoot but they are outnumbered 10/1 by the men. Just go to a gun show. Try to ask those women you see at the range what they do for a living and see how many are teachers.
Armed resource officers (aka cops) at school aren't in the classroom except for when there is a talk about drugs or similar law and order subject. The point of my ramblings being that the average teacher is neither trained nor predisposed to carrying firearms into the classroom and has zero tactical training.
Even the few who might go down this path with public approval are going to have a minimal effect on the seemingly unique American problem of school shootings. We are going to need some type of multifaceted approach to stemming this disturbing trend.
Some who have responded are missing the point.
We already have teachers that are licensed to own and carry a gun but they cannot carry into the classroom because most schools are "gun free zones".
I am not suggesting that a teacher with a small handgun like a .380 or 9mm should go out in to the hall to face a would be killer that is armed with a semi automatic rifle but if that killer kicked in the door to the classroom then the armed teacher is the only thing between the killer and the kids.
As I said there are many inventive holsters on the market now where someone can conceal a gun and no one can tell. The gun does not need to be exposed because I do believe it would be a distraction to the kids.
If the gun is not worn by the teacher how about having it locked in a safe at the teachers desk and if the school goes into lock down due to an intruder the trained teacher can lock the door to the classroom, unlock the safe and remove the gun.
The armed teacher is the absolute last line of defense against a mad man.
Who wouldn't want the teachers and their kids to have even a small chance to survive a mass shooting?
It seems pretty simple and if done properly the kids don't even have to know. The safes can be installed after school and the teachers that are interested can be trained to safely handle the firearm. In my experience women are better natural shots than most men and they take to training very well.
We can ban all the semi auto rifles but what happens when someone comes in with a handgun or shotgun like in Columbine? If someone is evil enough to kill kids they might just come in with a machete.
The fact that you are talking about this rather than actual solution (gun <cough> control <cough, cough>) means that the purpose of raising such a stupid idea was achieved.
Bans and/or further restriction of certain or all classes of firearms is no solution either. Lets look at LE for a second here. Cops are heavily armed and equipped. An M4 is a ubiquitous part of an officers field gear. They also have grenade launchers, armored tactical vehicles, heavy caliber long range rifles, body armor...just about everything any forward deployed warfighter has.
And why is that? Are they quaking in their boots because of citizens with AR 15s? Are they preparing to deal with school shootings? This latest active shooter in FL has raised more questions than it answered. If rifles like the AR are banned for citizen ownership will the cops start gunning down? According to some they won't even need such hardware if citizens don't have them.
Let alone armored vehicles. For a lot of reasons I would feel decidedly uncomfortable being told I have to turn in my AR and/or all my other semi autos if the police plan on holding on to their own FULL auto hardware.
What do you honestly feel will happen if by some fancy political rope tricks the citizenry is required to disarm? I'm truly interested in what it is you might envision happening. In terms of "solutions" to the problems at hand. What problems will be solved?
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In terms of "solutions" to the problems at hand. What problems will be solved?
