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Old 02-25-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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Yep they did. So why the heat on everyone but the FBI? I'm not a conspiracy theorist really, but everyone is blaming pretty much everything BUT the FBI.
That's what happens when you admit fault and promise to investigate and try to do better.

The FL Governer was very reluctant to blame anyone but the FBI - odd considering the repeated aberrant behavior.

Local LEOs are by nature local and had far more interaction with Cruz than the one phone call to the FBI. Multiple visits to his house; interviews with the perp and obvious threats to family members - yet he kept his guns and was never referred for phyc eval.

It's time to start monitoring social media (or making them self-monitor) so that ANY online threat of mass violence gets a referral to local police.

and of course the availability of the shooter's weapon of choice - the AR15.
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Funny how last Friday when the main story of the day was how badly the FBI bungled the multiple warnings they'd had about the Florida shooter, the Russian facebook ads report came out, diverting all attention from their failures. The FBI absolutely wants to blame the NRA, Russia or anyone else, so long as it takes away from the real story, which is them failing the people again.
What was the FBI going to detain, charge or arrest the school shooter with? Which law did he break prior to the shooting?

This blaming the FBI is just another red herring for the gun-fondlers to divert attention away from other issues.

Could a tip to the FBI have stopped the Florida shooting?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...orida-shooting
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Which is why we need to abolish it completely.
You want to keep the Second Amendment and abolish the government? Is that possible...?
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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Wait a second! I've been reading page after page of leftists saying they just want to ban AR-15's and a couple "reasonable measures". You're saying a complete ban on all semi-auto handguns? What does that account for over 90% of all hand guns? Wow. I'm going to continue reading to see how many on the left will condemn this, since they've been saying they just want a couple "reasonable measures".
A small amendment to the 2nd amendment is no small task. I'd put it up there with impossible.

But, we are only 7 states away from a constitutional convention. And those are all conservative states. So no. It ani't happening
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Am I the only one suspicious that right now the agency that maybe dropped the ball in FL (with Cruz) suddenly suspects ties between a gun rights organization (who were kind of vocal about said ball dropping) and the Russian Oligarchy?

Maybe there's something, maybe nothing, but it kind of deflects from the FBI lack of involvement, its convenient and, if the FBI can't check out literal online threats made by the perpetrator before the event, do we really think they're going to be effective in this endeavor?
Possible, but those are two different sides of the FBI working on the two issues. The FBI has domestic and foreign branches.
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: FL
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Now they are after the NRA: Fascist Brigade of Inquisitors going after NRA now


If the NRA, Manifort, etc aren't safe from the Police State trying to ruin them, are any of the rest of us?
If they didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about.
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Am I the only one suspicious that right now the agency that maybe dropped the ball in FL (with Cruz) suddenly suspects ties between a gun rights organization (who were kind of vocal about said ball dropping) and the Russian Oligarchy?

Maybe there's something, maybe nothing, but it kind of deflects from the FBI lack of involvement, its convenient and, if the FBI can't check out literal online threats made by the perpetrator before the event, do we really think they're going to be effective in this endeavor?
Look at the date of the following article.

The only people claiming some sort of convenient conspiracy are those who have ignored the news cycle over the past couple of months.

"January 18, 2018 05:00 AM
Updated January 23, 2018 07:43 PM

WASHINGTON
The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy.

FBI investigating whether Russia funneled cash to NRA to aid Trump's campaign | McClatchy Washington Bureau

Another one, also from before the shooting:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...y-russian-ties

From December of LAST YEAR:

"A conservative operative trumpeting his close ties to the National Rifle Association and Russia told a Trump campaign adviser last year that he could arrange a back-channel meeting between Donald J. Trump and Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian president, according to an email sent to the Trump campaign."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/u...-campaign.html
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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That ancient dead horse again. It wasn't going to happen when we before hit peak libertarian, and it isn't going to happen in the future.

What happens when you abolish "gubbamint"? The two foreign neighbors on either side of you team up to become your government because, by doing so, they can be the beneficiaries of more resources.

Human nature and the resulting behavior contradicts your politics.

The only way to avoid government exploitation is to make sure that it is formed to work for your and your family's specific interests. That generally requires being very ethnically close to the government.

It's not PC, but that's the unalterable reality.

Though, I also suspect that a lot of the current anti-government people here are merely retrograde communists trying to rebrand heir ideology. The strategy is as fresh as dog dirt.
Typical Statist response. Or shall I say, leftist.

Read Human Action by Ludwig von Mises. It'll all fall into place for ya.
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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You want to keep the Second Amendment and abolish the government? Is that possible...?
Come on Gamecock--you're smarter than that. But I'll go slowly...

The 2nd Amendment doesn't grant us the right to own guns. The 1st Amendment doesn't grant us the right to free speech. The 4th amendment doesn't grant us the right to be secure from search and seizure.

Those are what are called "Natural Rights" and are given to us by virtue of being born. Rights do not come from the State. Everyone on the planet has the same rights; the problem is the existence of States which limit the rights people are born with.

Hope this helps...
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: FL
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That is because the NRA and their cronies in Congress passed the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act in 2005 that shielded the gun industry from civil liability. Crap laws like these need to be repealed so that the victims of massacres and other gun violence will have recourse against the gun industry.
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