Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Status:
"“If a thing loves, it is infinite.”"
(set 2 days ago)
Location: Great Britain
27,175 posts, read 13,455,286 times
Reputation: 19466
Advertisements
Quote:
Originally Posted by scarabchuck
If you have no worries , and can walk anywhere you please, why does your government not trust you subjects with sharp pointy things ?
You can have a knife in a public place in the UK providing you have a good reason such as for your employment. In rural areas many people have knives and guns as part of their every day life and employment.
Furthermore you can have smaller bladed knives in a public place such as a Swiss Army knife, which has a blade of less than 3 inches.
Much of the law also relates to offensive weapons in public places rather than just knives and it should be noted in the US different state laws apply in relation to knives and indeed guns.
Many states ban flick knives and some gravity knives, so there are knife laws in the US.
You can have a knife in a public place in the UK providing you have a good reason such as for your employment. In rural areas many people have knives and guns as part of their every day life and employment.
Furthermore you can have smaller bladed knives in a public place such as a Swiss Army knife, which has a blade of less than 3 inches.
Much of the law also relates to offensive weapons in public places rather than just knives and it should be noted in the US different state laws apply in relation to knives and indeed guns.
Many states ban flick knives and some gravity knives, so there are knife laws in the US.
Okay, understood , in my own state we aren't allowed to carry fixed blades (unless hunting) or anything over 3" in length daily. But from the articles I've been reading, and correct me if I am wrong. There are "anti" knife groups over there that keep pushing for more legislation, even more then what you have currently. If this is true, why? Aren't the current laws enough ?
Status:
"“If a thing loves, it is infinite.”"
(set 2 days ago)
Location: Great Britain
27,175 posts, read 13,455,286 times
Reputation: 19466
Quote:
Originally Posted by scarabchuck
Okay, understood , in my own state we aren't allowed to carry fixed blades (unless hunting) or anything over 3" in length daily. But from the articles I've been reading, and correct me if I am wrong. There are "anti" knife groups over there that keep pushing for more legislation, even more then what you have currently. If this is true, why? Aren't the current laws enough ?
There is a debate about reducing knife crime but it's mainly centered around preventing knife crime and targerting those who carry knives for the wrong reason.
There are already numerous laws regarding offensive weapons which the police can use and the Courts can already deliver harsh sentences.
There was a big reduction in knife crime in Scotland in recent years as a result of a multi-agency response and engaging with young people, as well as offering them something else to do rather than hang around in gangs. The approach seems to have worked with knife crime dramatically falling, and this approach may now be tried in other areas which have such problems.
As for your state Law, the 3 inch knife rule is what we have in the UK and most people are fine with it, you can of course carry a longer knife in public providing you have a good reason such as part of your employment etc.
There is a debate about reducing knife crime but it's mainly centered around preventing knife crime and targerting those who carry knives for the wrong reason.
There are already numerous laws regarding offensive weapons which the police can use and the Courts can already deliver harsh sentences.
There was a big reduction in knife crime in Scotland in recent years as a result of a multi-agency response and engaging with young people, as well as offering them something else to do rather than hang around in gangs. The approach seems to have worked with knife crime dramatically falling, and this approach may now be tried in other areas which have such problems.
As for your state Law, the 3 inch knife rule is what we have in the UK and most people are fine with it, you can of course carry a longer knife in public providing you have a good reason such as part of your employment etc.
So, actually engaging with the troubled youths proved to be a solution that actually worked ? If we could only see programs engaging the demographics responsible for our violence here that would be great.
We have two issues here in our country. Violence in our inner cities, mostly gang related or thug wannabe's. They will kill over getting "dissed" on FB. They car jack, rob and do other thug like activities. They use mostly stolen firearms.
Then you have these mass shooters. They seem to pop up out of nowhere but after the fact it become obvious that it was only a matter of time before they snapped. Mostly they use legally obtained firearms. A few have stolen them.
For the most part this makes up our firearms violence. I don't count suicides because if one wants to kill themself , they will find a way. And in the big picture, violence has gone down continually since 1993 (our worst year). And again, in the big picture, more people die by knife annually then by rifles. Also, as a side note, 11 teens die every single day due to distracted driving, texting.
After all that, we have over a couple of hundred million firearms owners that go about there lives daily with no issues. Think about that number...we have close to 4 times the population of the UK that own firearms with no issues. Do you see why many of us state that firearms are not the problem ? If they were, there would be no one left here. What we have is a societal problem. Poverty/hood life requires one to be stronger then the other. Then we have a couple of generations that can't handle day to day life, either from lack of parenting or mental issues. You being across the pond don't see the real issues, the stuff in daily living here. You only see what the media wants you to see.
I don't count suicides because if one wants to kill themself , they will find a way.
If nearly 2/3 of gun deaths are suicides, I think that is a huge problem in our country that needs to be addressed. Its a common myth that someone who want to kill themself will do so by any means. That's simply not true.
Less than 10% of suicide attempts not involving a gun will result in death.That number jumps to 90% when a gun is used. However, 90% of people who survive a suicise attempt do not later die from suicide. 70% of people who attempt suicide and survive do not even attempt suicide again. If access to firearms wasn't as easy more people would get the help they so desperately need during that moment of crisis.
If nearly 2/3 of gun deaths are suicides, I think that is a huge problem in our country that needs to be addressed. Its a common myth that someone who want to kill themself will do so by any means. That's simply not true.
Less than 10% of suicide attempts not involving a gun will result in death.That number jumps to 90% when a gun is used. However, 90% of people who survive a suicise attempt do not later die from suicide. 70% of people who attempt suicide and survive do not even attempt suicide again. If access to firearms wasn't as easy more people would get the help they so desperately need during that moment of crisis.
So? Does that mean we should just ignore the problems in our own country?
Not sure where the poster said to ignore the problem. What he is stating is Japan, that has no firearms has an extremely high suicide rate. So high that the government has gotten involved. The most popular method is train. So popular, that families of the deceased are getting charged for the clean up.
I don't include suicides in firearms debates because it is a completely different issue. One where firearms clearly aren't the problem. If they have the will to die they will find a way. Several years ago i had to cut a neighbor down, he hung himself with an extension cord. He ended up dying in the ambulance.
If you have no worries , and can walk anywhere you please, why does your government not trust you subjects with sharp pointy things ?
What we have here in this country is a violence problem , period. It isn't handguns, it isn't weapons of war, it isn't knives. It is bad people, with no remorse that will kill another for a bag of potato chips. (true story). The reasons we have this is a multitude of things, poverty , lack of a family dynamic, and mental health. And the reasons these things keep happening is our government doesn't want to stop , or try to solve these things at the root cause of the problem, due to politics.
Then, we close to 300 million firearms in circulation. Eliminating them would be impossible. So any real step towards lowering violence has to come with that caveat.
Couple that with Politicians that have no clue what they are doing , yet try to pass laws and the pro firearms crowd pushes back hard.
There isn't a single law abiding firearms owner out there that doesn't want to see violence reduced, but it has to be done with common sense and without violating Constitutional rights.
You can walk around with a kitchen knife if you have reason to, however if you walk around with a knife because you are going to use it to stab somebody with then its against the law! Good grief it ain't rocket science!
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
