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View Poll Results: Should We End Gun Industry Immunity?
Yes 61 30.81%
No 132 66.67%
Maybe 0 0%
Other 5 2.53%
Voters: 198. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-28-2018, 05:00 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Sure if you want to see all of Americas arms manufacturing moved to another country. When we can no longer manufacture our own arms ......

It wont even be off shoring or outsourcing, once they move they will have no shortage of buyers without having to do business with the USA ever again.

There are alot of countries that would like to get their hands on american military weaponry. It is a VERY small hand full of people that have the know how to make these arms, its not the companies its specific individuals within various companies, if they get disenfranchised with fall out from mass law suits (lay offs, hostile work enviornments, etc) that are driven by financial hardship.

That wont be good ....

A ban on AR's would make me a very wealthy man and all the other men & women, that make them one at a time, with craftsmanship & care.

Next they will be banning anything metal.
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:42 AM
 
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A ban on AR's would make me a very wealthy man and all the other men & women, that make them one at a time, with craftsmanship & care.

Next they will be banning anything metal.
Yeah, that's another thing people don't realize. Guns aren't hard to make.

Pretty decent semi-automatic guns can be made in a garage shop, and ammunition isn't that hard to make, either. And then there is 3D printing....

They wouldn't be Glocks, but even the guns made in blacksmith shops 200 years ago were effective when you were the only person in the room who had a gun.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:04 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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If guns are so bad why have they not been sued like the tobacco industry or subject to class action law suits?

Well, those type of actions were being used until Congress passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act in 2005. The law shields the gun industry from class action and other legal actions to hold them accountable. There are six exceptions to the law, but they are narrowly defined to product defects.



Gun Industry Immunity | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

I believe if this law and other gun immunity laws were repealed the amount of gun violence and school shooting would drop and drop dramatically. Hit anyone in the pocketbook and there will be meaningful corrective action.



should we also hold car makers and cell phone makers accountable for deaths because of texting and driving?
if not, then why not?
how about making alcohol makers accountable for drunk driving?
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:31 AM
 
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There have been lawsuits for over 100 years where manufacturers have been sued for failing to implement reasonably economic and technologically feasible safety measures in products. It’s torts 101. Maybe you should inform yourself before you start bashing people for purportedly not understanding.

I've asked others, with "crickets" in response....


What is defective about the gun that makes people go out and kill someone?


Maybe you should also understand that the gun has a safety....and again, what makes a gun defective that someone goes out and kills someone?


We shall all wait for your response, if you respond....
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Old 03-29-2018, 03:22 PM
 
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Yeah, that's another thing people don't realize. Guns aren't hard to make.

Pretty decent semi-automatic guns can be made in a garage shop, and ammunition isn't that hard to make, either. And then there is 3D printing....

They wouldn't be Glocks, but even the guns made in blacksmith shops 200 years ago were effective when you were the only person in the room who had a gun.
They could be made as good as HK's with modern CNC machining so long as you had an original HK to take tedious dimensional data off of and then put into solid works. Once each part file that make up the entire assembly is in solid works its just a matter of feeding that code into the machine.

The barrel would be the only tricky thing where you would have to move the piece (if you only had a 3 axis) to get the rifling.

For a long rifle barrel it may have to be done on a CNC lathe due to the space constraints inside the CNC cabnet.

You could actually probably make them better than HK by making the barrels out of stellite so that they dont warp when they get hot or put your own twist on some kind of a gas piston system to keep the gun from sooting up.
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Old 03-29-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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I've asked others, with "crickets" in response....


What is defective about the gun that makes people go out and kill someone?


Maybe you should also understand that the gun has a safety....and again, what makes a gun defective that someone goes out and kills someone?


We shall all wait for your response, if you respond....
So, still crickets?
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Old 03-29-2018, 06:01 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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They could be made as good as HK's with modern CNC machining so long as you had an original HK to take tedious dimensional data off of and then put into solid works. Once each part file that make up the entire assembly is in solid works its just a matter of feeding that code into the machine.

The barrel would be the only tricky thing where you would have to move the piece (if you only had a 3 axis) to get the rifling.

For a long rifle barrel it may have to be done on a CNC lathe due to the space constraints inside the CNC cabnet.

You could actually probably make them better than HK by making the barrels out of stellite so that they dont warp when they get hot or put your own twist on some kind of a gas piston system to keep the gun from sooting up.

Just purchase solid stainless round stock.
Drill the barrel, and cartridge pocket, then rifle it in the ***. Thread the end to mount into the upper receiver.
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:54 PM
 
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Remember, the NRA owns the GOP wholesale. Whatever they tell them to do, legal or otherwise, they do.
Very good. Now lets take it a step further and come to the full, awful realization that special interest groups own the ENTIRE Congress, Democrat and Republican. It's just a matter of figuring out which lobby owns which congressperson. This is why your government doesn't work anymore.
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Old 03-30-2018, 01:43 AM
 
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Just purchase solid stainless round stock.
Drill the barrel, and cartridge pocket, then rifle it in the ***. Thread the end to mount into the upper receiver.
What about making the barrel out of stellite which is an alloy of cobalt?
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Old 03-30-2018, 08:56 AM
 
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They could be made as good as HK's with modern CNC machining so long as you had an original HK to take tedious dimensional data off of and then put into solid works. Once each part file that make up the entire assembly is in solid works its just a matter of feeding that code into the machine.

The barrel would be the only tricky thing where you would have to move the piece (if you only had a 3 axis) to get the rifling.

For a long rifle barrel it may have to be done on a CNC lathe due to the space constraints inside the CNC cabnet.

You could actually probably make them better than HK by making the barrels out of stellite so that they dont warp when they get hot or put your own twist on some kind of a gas piston system to keep the gun from sooting up.
So good to know. Thanks for sharing these tidbits for all of the not "law abiding," citizens out there.

Are any of the gunslingers out there actually thinking at all, or just too darn busy playing with their guns?
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