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The Nunes memo did exactly what it was supposed to do. It made accusations that can only be clarified by declassifying all the underlying documentation & the FISA warrants. As was explained here ad nauseum to the same posters now wishfully calling it a dud, it was the first step in a process and he's now on to stage two of the process. It was by no means a dud, nor was it the biggest bombshell of the last century. It was just the launching pad and it appears to have worked perfectly.
As Nunes predicted prior to the Schiff memo, the Schiff memo was purposefully loaded with classified information so Trump could not publish it immediately due to national security concerns. Then they could have their media partners at CNN/WaPo/et al paint the false narrative that Trump was playing partisan politics with the memos.
The Schiff memo disproves nothing & only further plays into Nunes' hands by creating doubt. We now have inconsistencies in the time line of when the Russia-Trump collusion dossier was presented to them vs. when Carter Page was being surveiled. That will need to be sorted out via the FISA applications. The FBI is fighting not to release the FISA applications, but the new FISA judge, the one who already ruled once that the FBI/DOJ warrants were illegal, has told them she wants it turned over & has promised to scrub their copy vs. the original copy she's holding.
Neither do the redacted names used to get the FISA warrants disprove anything, they simply create more doubt that must be cleared up by declassifying the underlying documentation. Yahoo & Fusion GPS saying the dossier is true, do not prove Steele was correct.
Obviously the Papadopolous thing needs to be looked at more closely because no attorney or law enforcement officer in the country believes they could get a FISA warrant to spy on their political opponent during an election year over an alleged comment made under the influence of alcohol, relayed 3rd hand by someone also under the influence of alcohol. That's called hearsay, not evidence. No judge in the country would grant a regular warrant on those grounds, much less a FISA warrant against the president elect's campaign on those grounds.
As for Page, I think it will be fascinating to watch his case unfold. There's the media/left wing spin saying the Russians tried to recruit Page, Page met with shady Russians, Page even flew to Russia, etc. Thus the FBI decided he was a Russian spy once he started working on the Trump campaign. The problem with that is Page was working FOR the FBI when all of that happened. All of it was part of his undercover investigation & was fully monitored by the FBI. It's hard to believe that the FBI was employing Page, their star witness against the Russians in court, only 90 days before he joined the Trump campaign and was then immediately labelled a spy. That begs the questions, 1) why hasn't anything new about Page in that time period been reported? Everything they claim to have been concerned about happened when he was working his case for the FBI, there are no claims he did anything concerning after he wrapped up his case for the FBI. 2) Page being an undercover FBI employee, was he sent into the Trump campaign as his next assignment? Was he sent in precisely so they could label him a spy & get a FISA warrant, then have an insider? 3) did the FBI sacrifice him for the cause? He was never under investigation in the years he was working for the FBI. Did they see him join the Trump campaign and decide to just steamroll him for the cause by labeling him a spy? This all needs to be brought into the light of day as well.
Anything McCabe did or did not say needs to be proven or disproven, so again it's the underlying documentation that needs to be released.
It's also smart that Nunes already had the responses to Schiff's memo ready & released them the say day to debunk Schiff. Nunes is a couple steps ahead of Schiff & has been the whole time.
As for Page, I think it will be fascinating to watch his case unfold.
Nice summary Mason3000.
From everything I've read Page's double misfortune is his deep ties with the Russian oil industry and being on team-Trump. In saner times this would make him an invaluable foreign policy advisor, but in today's world where Democrats and their loyalists in the MSM have created America's third Red Scare, Page is a liability.
I'm disappointed with the Schiff memo. I was expecting new light to be thrown on this case and instead got nothing that wasn't already exposed by Nunes. I should've expected it.
The Nunes memo did exactly what it was supposed to do. It made accusations that can only be clarified by declassifying all the underlying documentation & the FISA warrants. As was explained here ad nauseum to the same posters now wishfully calling it a dud, it was the first step in a process and he's now on to stage two of the process. It was by no means a dud, nor was it the biggest bombshell of the last century. It was just the launching pad and it appears to have worked perfectly.
As Nunes predicted prior to the Schiff memo, the Schiff memo was purposefully loaded with classified information so Trump could not publish it immediately due to national security concerns. Then they could have their media partners at CNN/WaPo/et al paint the false narrative that Trump was playing partisan politics with the memos.
The Schiff memo disproves nothing & only further plays into Nunes' hands by creating doubt. We now have inconsistencies in the time line of when the Russia-Trump collusion dossier was presented to them vs. when Carter Page was being surveiled. That will need to be sorted out via the FISA applications. The FBI is fighting not to release the FISA applications, but the new FISA judge, the one who already ruled once that the FBI/DOJ warrants were illegal, has told them she wants it turned over & has promised to scrub their copy vs. the original copy she's holding.
Neither do the redacted names used to get the FISA warrants disprove anything, they simply create more doubt that must be cleared up by declassifying the underlying documentation. Yahoo & Fusion GPS saying the dossier is true, do not prove Steele was correct.
Obviously the Papadopolous thing needs to be looked at more closely because no attorney or law enforcement officer in the country believes they could get a FISA warrant to spy on their political opponent during an election year over an alleged comment made under the influence of alcohol, relayed 3rd hand by someone also under the influence of alcohol. That's called hearsay, not evidence. No judge in the country would grant a regular warrant on those grounds, much less a FISA warrant against the president elect's campaign on those grounds.
As for Page, I think it will be fascinating to watch his case unfold. There's the media/left wing spin saying the Russians tried to recruit Page, Page met with shady Russians, Page even flew to Russia, etc. Thus the FBI decided he was a Russian spy once he started working on the Trump campaign. The problem with that is Page was working FOR the FBI when all of that happened. All of it was part of his undercover investigation & was fully monitored by the FBI. It's hard to believe that the FBI was employing Page, their star witness against the Russians in court, only 90 days before he joined the Trump campaign and was then immediately labelled a spy. That begs the questions, 1) why hasn't anything new about Page in that time period been reported? Everything they claim to have been concerned about happened when he was working his case for the FBI, there are no claims he did anything concerning after he wrapped up his case for the FBI. 2) Page being an undercover FBI employee, was he sent into the Trump campaign as his next assignment? Was he sent in precisely so they could label him a spy & get a FISA warrant, then have an insider? 3) did the FBI sacrifice him for the cause? He was never under investigation in the years he was working for the FBI. Did they see him join the Trump campaign and decide to just steamroll him for the cause by labeling him a spy? This all needs to be brought into the light of day as well.
Anything McCabe did or did not say needs to be proven or disproven, so again it's the underlying documentation that needs to be released.
It's also smart that Nunes already had the responses to Schiff's memo ready & released them the say day to debunk Schiff. Nunes is a couple steps ahead of Schiff & has been the whole time.
What FISA judge ruled that the FISA warrants were illegal, I never saw anything to that effect. Yes of course the FBI isn't going to release information on the FISA warrant, its classified and reveals sources and procedures.
Nunes big contention in his memo was that the judge wasn't informed of the political leanings of the Steele Dossier, that turned out to be an outright lie. The republicans admitted several weeks ago that the statement on Nunes memo was incorrect.
This isn't the beginning this is the end unless you have something besides speculation. Time for Nunes to devote his time to making some changes into making sure our elections are shielded from the Russians and stop with the memos and witch hunts.
From everything I've read Page's double misfortune is his deep ties with the Russian oil industry and being on team-Trump. In saner times this would make him an invaluable foreign policy advisor, but in today's world where Democrats and their loyalists in the MSM have created America's third Red Scare, Page is a liability.
I'm disappointed with the Schiff memo. I was expecting new light to be thrown on this case and instead got nothing that wasn't already exposed by Nunes. I should've expected it.
The Schiff memo contradicted every point brought up by Nunes, its purpose was to respond to Nunes lies not to shed new light.
I'm surprised by how little uproar the Schiff effort created. ABC, NBC, etc. gave it a quick review and moved on. ABC said something like, "well, this ends the memo debate." Tomorrow it will be as if were never released. The best way to hide an embarrassment is to not mention it.
Even on this board it hardly caused a stir. The Nunes memo generated thread after thread. The Schiff one, only this one.
It appears even Schiff's followers are deflated by his effort. I understand why.
You can't beat something with nothing and that is Schiff's problem. He has nothing.
It did abuse the FISA process based on a ridiculous dossier paid for by Hillary who thought it was her turn. ie... trying to fix an election (They're no better than the Russians).
You can't be so naive to not realize that's the Democrats and the liberal media is going to try to negate the corruption with (drum roll) more spin!
"The memo's (Republican) final paragraph admits that federal law enforcement's probe into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia was triggered by a different loud-mouthed campaign advisor rather than the controversial Steele dossier."
I'm embarrassed for you that you post something this ignorant because you seem to be too low information to know the difference between partisan lies and spin and fact. Seriously, read the last paragraph of the Republican memo for yourself. Read it 10 times if you need to and then try to understand that the Republican memo negates the whole Steele dossier controversy with those simple words.
Any one with half a brain knows the Republican memo was just another weak deflection tactic.
"The memo's (Republican) final paragraph admits that federal law enforcement's probe into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia was triggered by a different loud-mouthed campaign advisor rather than the controversial Steele dossier."
The Democrat's summary of the acts of Democratic supporters in our government?
"He was a gud boy, he din' do nuffin' wrong".
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