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Old 02-26-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Our official policy was definitely not Nazi friendly.

As to South Africa...this is simple. If they’d agreed to share power early on instead of being dead Enders for Apartheid, they wouldn’t be in this position. That’s why I feel nothing for them.

But whatever. I just don’t want the Boers coming here.
Most Germans weren't Nazi party members or too happy with the Nazi party by 1945. What we did let in though was a lot of Bolsheviks east of Germany.

No, white SA agreeing to share power is what got them into the mess they are in. The "international community" should of supported a two state solution if it had any goodwill, good faith or brains or at least butted out.

I don't want any immigrants coming to America but if we're going to have immigration it shouldn't be overwhelmingly demographic changing so should be proportionally ~80% white.

 
Old 02-26-2018, 05:35 PM
 
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Most Germans weren't Nazi party members or too happy with the Nazi party by 1945. What we did let in though was a lot of Bolsheviks east of Germany.

No, white SA agreeing to share power is what got them into the mess they are in. The "international community" should of supported a two state solution if it had any goodwill, good faith or brains or at least butted out.

I don't want any immigrants coming to America but if we're going to have immigration it shouldn't be overwhelmingly demographic changing so should be proportionally ~80% white.
The "two-state" idea was a total farce. While schools, highways, hospitals, etc were "whites-only," who do you think maintained and built those facilities for essentially nothing - black South Africans. The Aparthied government exploited a huge labor pool of black South Africans to raise the living standards for 6% of the population. They probably couldn't have survived even if there were no sanctions.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 05:46 PM
 
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The "two-state" idea was a total farce. While schools, highways, hospitals, etc were "whites-only," who do you think maintained and built those facilities for essentially nothing - black South Africans. The Aparthied government exploited a huge labor pool of black South Africans to raise the living standards for 6% of the population. They probably couldn't have survived even if there were no sanctions.
Apartheid wasn't really a two-state solution. And blacks didn't have to take the jobs in fact I don't think they should've even been allowed to.. Just because the upper 6% benefited from hiring blacks doesn't mean 90% of the whites did.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 06:04 PM
 
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Apartheid wasn't really a two-state solution. And blacks didn't have to take the jobs in fact I don't think they should've even been allowed to.. Just because the upper 6% benefited from hiring blacks doesn't mean 90% of the whites did.
I'm talking about the 6% of South Africans - who were white - benefiting from the labor the the 94% of South Africans who were not white. To say that most whites did not benefit from the black labor is simply not true. Who do you think tended to the all white beaches and built the highways for only whites.

And of course black South Africans had to work. What's the alternative?
 
Old 02-26-2018, 06:44 PM
 
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I'm talking about the 6% of South Africans - who were white - benefiting from the labor the the 94% of South Africans who were not white. To say that most whites did not benefit from the black labor is simply not true. Who do you think tended to the all white beaches and built the highways for only whites.

And of course black South Africans had to work. What's the alternative?
You're just making up percentages and claims. Only well off and elites are hiring people to build highways and to work in their businesses. Whites hiring out to blacks drove down wages and employment for whites who should've been hired at market rate. Providing work for blacks shouldn't be a justification to agree to all whites being ruled by them, especially when most whites didn't personally benefit from the hiring. The alternative is blacks should provide for blacks.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 08:10 PM
 
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Nelson, and Winnie Mandela ruined South Africa.
Nelson Mandela was very moderate voices in the ANC and not hell bent on revenge of the Whites when he was released from Prison. Winnie Mandela on the other hand was more radical in the ANC and she endorsed Necklacing of Blacks who are accused of supporting or aiding the Whites. Even Nelson Mandela saw her too radical.

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Old 02-26-2018, 10:16 PM
 
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Nelson Mandela was very moderate voices in the ANC and not hell bent on revenge of the Whites when he was released from Prison. Winnie Mandela on the other hand was more radical in the ANC and she endorsed Necklacing of Blacks who are accused of supporting or aiding the Whites. Even Nelson Mandela saw her too radical.
She did.

"With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country."

... is what she said. And for anyone who doesn't remember the late '80s and early '90s, "necklacing" was what they called lynching someone by burning them with a gasoline filled tire around their neck. Some were beaten or shot to death first, but others endured the unimaginable agony of being burned alive for ten or twenty minutes before dying. Thousands suffered this fate at the hands of ANC supporters. Winnie Mandela is still called "the mother of the nation" and is still a member of the South African Parliament today.
 
Old 02-27-2018, 12:25 AM
 
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She did.

"With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country."

... is what she said. And for anyone who doesn't remember the late '80s and early '90s, "necklacing" was what they called lynching someone by burning them with a gasoline filled tire around their neck. Some were beaten or shot to death first, but others endured the unimaginable agony of being burned alive for ten or twenty minutes before dying. Thousands suffered this fate at the hands of ANC supporters. Winnie Mandela is still called "the mother of the nation" and is still a member of the South African Parliament today.
Winnie Mandela was expelled from leadership positions from the ANC in the 1990s, and was eventually kicked out of the ANC, however a few years later she came back into it. She and Nelson Mandela divorced and Nelson Mandela remarried.

Even so there were crimes against humanity by the White regime as well such as the South African Police shot dead over a hundred Black school children in Soweto so it not just the Blacks that have skeletons in the closet.

Actually the ANC stopped passive resistance into armed resistance in 1960 after the Shapville Massacre where many were killed in a largely peaceful demonstration.

Anyway I can understand that Whites did not want to live next to Black people, however they did little to advance the black people and with them living in third world conditions, yet the Whites enjoyed one of the worlds highest living standards. It would have been better if they spent a lot more on Black education, yet the South African government thought the blacks were not capable of being smart and only suitable for low skilled work and they saw not much point on giving them much of a education.

Anyway one of the greatest sportsman person of my country protested against the White regime due to South Africa did not allow blacks to represent South Africa as it was a white side, and the South African government believed that Blacks were incapable of doing well in sport.
 
Old 02-27-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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I think that people should keep in mind that when you defy the wishes of the West, the west seeks to promote the failure of your economy to destabilize leadership in the hearts and minds of the people. Just look at the patterns of how the West puts trade sanctions and embargoes to get the nations to bend to its will. The west want the people of these nations to suffer in the hope that the suffering will turn them on the leadership. When this fails and when assassination fails, then a pretext for military involvement in a nation is developed. The West promoted the collapse of the Soviet Union. We promoted sanctions and embargoes against Cuba. We promoted instability in Central America, etc.

Former colonizers who still own control of most productive resources in former colonies seek to promote the failure of their former colonies if they seek to reclaim control of those resources. That has to certainly be considered in the case of Zimbabwe. They could not let Zimbabwe be an example to follow by other African nations were whites were controlling the vast majority of the productive lands and nations mineral resources.
 
Old 02-27-2018, 09:31 AM
 
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I knew there have been issues in the south of Africa for years. Africa is a hot bed for genocide, etc. We all can agree on that. But this lady is, has been working on this documentary for some time. Seems like South Africa is on the verge of major civil
https://laurensouthern.net/farmlands/ unrest.
Let it happen.
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